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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Thu, Oct-19-2017, 07:11:05 AM   #1
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Default transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

I tried searching but only came up with smg. So if someone can provide a link.
My 6MT is starting up feel a little loose and sloppy. As in, shift in gear and there's still a little play. Or sometimes I shift in gear but it doesn't fully lock in gear and slips out. Before it was solid, barely any play.

Changed tranny fluid with oem. Could it be linkage?

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Old Thu, Oct-19-2017, 12:35:51 PM   #2
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

start with rebuilding the shifter, I used one like this
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...BoCB38QAvD_BwE

how many miles are on your car? I did mine at 91k, makes a huge difference, there is one with a delrin bushing that will last longer as well. this job is sort of a pain though, even if you can somehow do it without dropping driveshaft and exhaust.

there is a bavauto youtube vid on a ssk install on an e36, which is very helpful
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Old Thu, Oct-19-2017, 03:14:40 PM   #3
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

mine feels kinda sloppy as well...i tried new trans mounts and fluid, which helped some. i have a new slave, guibo, and an ECS shifter rebuild kit with delrin bushing that's been on the shelf for a while i'll finally install.

kinda been stalling on the job because i'm stuck in the rabbit hole of what to do with the exhaust once that's down...CPI rasp, sect 1/2/3, header....blah blah.
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Old Thu, Oct-19-2017, 05:59:45 PM   #4
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

A good test to see if your linkage is worn (I think I saw this on Rogue Engineering website) is to put the lever into
3rd gear and see how much it moves left to right. I think brand new its about 15mm per side, any more
than an inch per side and your linkage is worn. Mine was well worn at 104K and rebuilding the linkage certainly improved the change.

Slipping out of gear could be one of the detent springs broken. Best to get the linkage sorted first before considering this though.
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Old Thu, Oct-19-2017, 06:10:36 PM   #5
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

I can't overstate how amazing my stock shifter feels (removed AS SSK) with new delrin carrier bushing, OE fluid, nylon cup, rear bushing, selector joint/sponge, dssr and ZHP knob and new lube on the hard parts. To be clear though, a fluid change is not going to have much impact unless you've really got the wrong stuff in there currently. The linkage, specifically nose carrier bushing and the selector joint are the main culprits.

It's really not that bad if you can get the car up on all fours - you really only need to remove the sect 1 (which is super easy if it's a u.s. version with no cats blocking the hardware and no O2s/EGT to deal with). The heat shield will just pull down, out of the way.

You're mostly removing the sect 1 to gain access to the drive side bolts for the tranny brace, but having it out also makes getting to the linkage easier.

The trick is to support the tranny with a jack and undo the brace so the tranny can hang down about an inch to give you the room to deal with the carrier joint.
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·Evolve-R Alpha N · Evolve CSL CF Airbox · Eventuri Scoop · Supersprint V1 stepped 63mm · SS V1 S pipe 63mm + 200 cell HFC · OE sect 2 60mm · SS Sport 60mm
·Besian · RE pullies/fan delete · WPC rod bearings · GroundControl S/A (Koni/Eibach 440/550) + tall RSMs · TMS Camber & Subframe plates · SPC Adj alloy rear camber arms
·RE Trans Mounts · AKG poly SUB/DIFF 95a · SDW RTAB · Weighted ///M knob + UUC DSSR + delrin carrier bush · OE CSL trunk · APEX 75mm Studs
·Sportline 8S 18"x8.5/9.5" · MPSS 245/275 · Brembo 996 36/40 345mm CSL Textar FF & 28/30 328mm CSL ATE "D738" FF · CM brackets & ss/teflon lines
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Old Fri, Oct-20-2017, 12:13:46 AM   #6
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

are these the only three kits available as options for rebuilding our shifters?
which one is preferred and most cost effective?

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-M3...r/Rebuild_Kit/
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Old Fri, Oct-20-2017, 01:04:35 AM   #7
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

Most cost effective is to piecemeal your own.
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·Besian · RE pullies/fan delete · WPC rod bearings · GroundControl S/A (Koni/Eibach 440/550) + tall RSMs · TMS Camber & Subframe plates · SPC Adj alloy rear camber arms
·RE Trans Mounts · AKG poly SUB/DIFF 95a · SDW RTAB · Weighted ///M knob + UUC DSSR + delrin carrier bush · OE CSL trunk · APEX 75mm Studs
·Sportline 8S 18"x8.5/9.5" · MPSS 245/275 · Brembo 996 36/40 345mm CSL Textar FF & 28/30 328mm CSL ATE "D738" FF · CM brackets & ss/teflon lines
·Pioneer DEH-80PRS · Eclipse PA5422 · CDT HD-6 + WS-100i · CDT EX-530 · 8" Kicker

DD/Beater: 1999 Civic LX - Kenwood x998 · PPI 1600.4 · CDT HD-6 + HD-100 · CDT EX-530 · DVC 10"
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

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start with rebuilding the shifter, I used one like this
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...BoCB38QAvD_BwE

how many miles are on your car? I did mine at 91k, makes a huge difference, there is one with a delrin bushing that will last longer as well. this job is sort of a pain though, even if you can somehow do it without dropping driveshaft and exhaust.

there is a bavauto youtube vid on a ssk install on an e36, which is very helpful
I installed my short shifter without dropping the driveshaft and exhaust, do you think it is possible to replace the at least the "Shifter Ball Bushing"? From what I've read, that one makes the biggest difference. I'm getting occasional pop out from 3rd gear as well but not much slop.
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Old Fri, Oct-20-2017, 11:14:17 PM   #9
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

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I can't overstate how amazing my stock shifter feels (removed AS SSK) with new delrin carrier bushing, OE fluid, nylon cup, rear bushing, selector joint/sponge, dssr and ZHP knob and new lube on the hard parts. To be clear though, a fluid change is not going to have much impact unless you've really got the wrong stuff in there currently. The linkage, specifically nose carrier bushing and the selector joint are the main culprits.

It's really not that bad if you can get the car up on all fours - you really only need to remove the sect 1 (which is super easy if it's a u.s. version with no cats blocking the hardware and no O2s/EGT to deal with). The heat shield will just pull down, out of the way.

You're mostly removing the sect 1 to gain access to the drive side bolts for the tranny brace, but having it out also makes getting to the linkage easier.

The trick is to support the tranny with a jack and undo the brace so the tranny can hang down about an inch to give you the room to deal with the carrier joint.
This is exactly what I’ve been wanting to do. Can’t find myself happy with the different shifter set ups I’ve tried. I miss OE.

Tbone, do you have a list pieced together already you could post? If not, don’t go through the trouble. Just being lazy here.
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Default Re: transmission is starting to feel sloppy.

No but I've seen it posted before. Here's the link to the real oem part # diagram:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=25_0375

And below are the delrin shifter carrier nose bushings I went with instead of the stock part (#2) in the above linked diagram. They fit perfectly and are chiefly responsible for the removal of slack along with the DSSR imo.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-Shifter...tS9Aac&vxp=mtr
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·Evolve-R Alpha N · Evolve CSL CF Airbox · Eventuri Scoop · Supersprint V1 stepped 63mm · SS V1 S pipe 63mm + 200 cell HFC · OE sect 2 60mm · SS Sport 60mm
·Besian · RE pullies/fan delete · WPC rod bearings · GroundControl S/A (Koni/Eibach 440/550) + tall RSMs · TMS Camber & Subframe plates · SPC Adj alloy rear camber arms
·RE Trans Mounts · AKG poly SUB/DIFF 95a · SDW RTAB · Weighted ///M knob + UUC DSSR + delrin carrier bush · OE CSL trunk · APEX 75mm Studs
·Sportline 8S 18"x8.5/9.5" · MPSS 245/275 · Brembo 996 36/40 345mm CSL Textar FF & 28/30 328mm CSL ATE "D738" FF · CM brackets & ss/teflon lines
·Pioneer DEH-80PRS · Eclipse PA5422 · CDT HD-6 + WS-100i · CDT EX-530 · 8" Kicker

DD/Beater: 1999 Civic LX - Kenwood x998 · PPI 1600.4 · CDT HD-6 + HD-100 · CDT EX-530 · DVC 10"
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