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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Thu, May-04-2017, 02:34:01 PM   #31
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I went with the SMG optioned M3 route. For a decent price because of SMG I got exactly what I wanted.

- Lower miles, 56,xxx
- Slicktop
- Manual seats
- White color

I have since swapped the SMG to manual. It cost me a bit more to swap because I deleted everything that was SMG and installed the clutch switch by wiring it pin to pin, no soldering.

I still do think about looking for a factory manual M3 but I doubt it will every happen because I will not be able to get the exact package I have right now.
Why? I don't get this at all. A properly swapped car is identical in feel and function to a factory manual (I've owned both - identical). The only difference is the lack of authenticity and selling your beautiful example over that is, well, a bit irrational..... unless your swap was not done properly.
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Old Thu, May-04-2017, 02:39:46 PM   #32
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I could see the E9x going either way. On one hand it has more comfort refinement and tech. On the other hand, it's the last N/A M3 with hydraulic steering. And it being the only V8 M3 might attract some value to.
I personally think E9x M3s will be worth more.

- Last n/a motorsport engine
- Motorsport engine that was used and won in top classes
- Last of hydraulic steering
- 8400 rpms V8 engine

I have been thinking of getting a E92 M3 but I like the styling of the E46 M3 more. Who knows, maybe there will be a E92 in my garage someday. Manual, carbon roof and ZCP.
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Why? I don't get this at all. A properly swapped car is identical in feel and function to a factory manual (I've owned both - identical). The only difference is the lack of authenticity and selling your beautiful example over that is, well, a bit irrational..... unless your swap was not done properly.
I am a perfectionist. Swapped is swapped even if it's better done than any other. The vin still says SMG.

I am on my 3rd E46 M3 and the previous 2 were original manual, there is no difference in mine except for the vin.

Yes, it is irrational.
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I am a perfectionist. Swapped is swapped even if it's better done than any other. The vin still says SMG.

I am on my 3rd E46 M3 and the previous 2 were original manual, there is no difference in mine except for the vin.

Yes, it is irrational.
Awesome - so long as we're candid.

I'm hopelessly irrational with these cars sometimes but lately I'm trying not to let that take me off the deep end financially
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I personally think E9x M3s will be worth more.

- Last n/a motorsport engine
- Motorsport engine that was used and won in top classes
- Last of hydraulic steering
- 8400 rpms V8 engine

I have been thinking of getting a E92 M3 but I like the styling of the E46 M3 more. Who knows, maybe there will be a E92 in my garage someday. Manual, carbon roof and ZCP.
e9x will be worth more imo. But it is going to depreciate a lot more and it is going to take a longer time to appreciate. Every time a new m3 comes out everyone jumps on board the older models and praises their glory. Eventually people are going to look back at the e9x as a revolutionary m3 being the last naturally aspirated m3 and a v8. In addition, the e46 will presumably appreciate due to it being the last naturally aspirated inline 6.
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I personally think E9x M3s will be worth more.

- Last n/a motorsport engine
- Motorsport engine that was used and won in top classes
- Last of hydraulic steering
- 8400 rpms V8 engine

I have been thinking of getting a E92 M3 but I like the styling of the E46 M3 more. Who knows, maybe there will be a E92 in my garage someday. Manual, carbon roof and ZCP.
Yeah I've been thinking about an E9x on and off. I think if I sold all my mods separately and then sold my car as mostly stock, I wouldn't have to put too much money on top to get one.

I just wasn't super impressed when I test drove one. If I didn't own my E46 I probably would have bought one, but otherwise I just don't feel like I'm gaining enough. I actually found the F8x to be much more exciting despite it being a newer, more "digital" car - that's something I'd sell my E46 for in an instant if I had enough cash lying around to make up the difference.
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Thanks for this thread; it's really helpful. I hadn't even though about the SMG-Manual swap, but didn't know it was only around $3,000.

Everything I've read says the 6MT is such a better driving experience and more enjoyable so I've been holding out for a 6MT where the mileage isn't THAT high (trying not to go higher than 125k).

I've currently got a 330i and have for a long time wanted an M car.....just wondering if I should jump at the SMG or wait for the 6MT. It may see some track time as well so I'm still back and forth about it.


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Thanks for this thread; it's really helpful. I hadn't even though about the SMG-Manual swap, but didn't know it was only around $3,000.

Everything I've read says the 6MT is such a better driving experience and more enjoyable so I've been holding out for a 6MT where the mileage isn't THAT high (trying not to go higher than 125k).

I've currently got a 330i and have for a long time wanted an M car.....just wondering if I should jump at the SMG or wait for the 6MT. It may see some track time as well so I'm still back and forth about it.


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SMG encompasses half the issues that these cars have and all of the issues that can not be permanently fixed via aftermarket upgrades.


And THAT is why I don't want an SMG. I'm not spending $30,000 on one with 50k miles just so I can enjoy the car for a year before the SMG pump implodes.


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Old Thu, Jun-15-2017, 08:40:09 PM   #40
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Just like the stock market, everything is about information, timing, and patience. You just have to be ready; and by that I mean this: don't worry about what they are going for now if you are not ready. Continue to do your research and determine how much you'd be willing to spend on examples with various criteria, and have your cash in hand so you can be ready to pull the trigger if the right car pops up when your financial situation permits.

Also plan to save at least 5-10k on top of your budget for the car to fix or refresh things right away if you are not buying a unicorn / garage queen. Cosmetic / engine maintenance work to refresh everything can add up quick on M3s esp if there are undisclosed issues.

As an example, I purchased my fully loaded 06 sg 6mt zcp a little over 2 years ago for $22.5k. PO wanted 25k. I inspected the car knowing what to look for (after months of research) and found things I felt he could knock $ off the price that I would need to fix up myself. Cash in hand, in person helped the negotiation.

The car had 66k on the clock. Great condition, documented maintenance history but had worn items and typical wear and tear stuff + maintenance items due. As all M3 owners do, I took everything apart to inspect, clean, and replace almost everything I could with new oem parts. In all, I think spent 6-7k to refresh everything, it can be said that I spent about 30k incl tax on the car after it was all said and done.

My only problem now is I enjoy looking at it way more than I drive it because I got caught up with all the appreciation stuff instead of driving it... has about 68k miles now (2000 since purchase) in 2 years.



The next m3 I buy (another E46 or maybe F80) will definitely be in the cheaper price / higher mileage range, and in less of a pristine condition so it can be driven an enjoyed more... can't take these things to the grave.

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