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Old Thu, Oct-25-2018, 10:36:41 PM   #621
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Donít really disagree with you at all on any of your points. Itís just that the compromises of an M2/3/4 only really make sense if it is your only sporty car. If it is that then great, no disagreements.

But the ride quality of the RS3 along with other unique factors like a more desirable engine and (shitty) AWD make it a more fun street car to me. My opinion is largely due to having actually owned the hairdresserís car sharing that engine... and how much that engine really is the perfect combination of performance, noise, and weight for a street car motor.
I know its subjective, but fun and AWD don't belong in the same sentence for me. I want RWD for fun.
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Yes, but altering the ride height at a corner throws that off (and is the key to corner balancing). To correct that you'd need to change spring height with adjustable perches or change the springs, but BMW would change the springs. The E46 CSL for example used a different front spring for the AC delete cars, and that was less than 50 lbs change in weight.
Based on a quick check through RealOEM, it doesn't look like any of the suspension components changed between M2 and M2 CS, including springs.
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Old Fri, Oct-26-2018, 12:36:18 AM   #623
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Based on a quick check through RealOEM, it doesn't look like any of the suspension components changed between M2 and M2 CS, including springs.
But you get a cool CS badge on the trunk
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Old Fri, Oct-26-2018, 01:03:35 AM   #624
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Based on a quick check through RealOEM, it doesn't look like any of the suspension components changed between M2 and M2 CS, including springs.
Pretty lame if they were too cheap/lazy to make the adjustment. ~150 lbs is a notable amount of weight to add to progressive springs. The M4 progressive front spring rate starts at ~185 lb/in. If the M2 front rate is in that ballpark then it equates to ~3/8" drop. I would give it some time, I forget the scenario but I think there was another situation like this where it took a little while for the parts system to be updated. Many articles mention the ball joints, so I doubt that was made up.
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Doesn't necessarily mean it would equate to that much of a drop. They start at 185 lb/in, but the rate at the M2s resting position could be a good bit higher. I might not be looking in the right place for the ball joint, but I couldn't find anything that's unique to the M2 CS. Could be there's a supercession to a ball joint for all the Ms. Or perhaps the catalog just needs to be updated like you said.
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It's possible, but I doubt it. It's a street car on street tires, and the linear springs on track-oriented suspensions start around 400 lb/in front. Vorshlag has some progressive spring tests (no M cars unfortunately) and they don't seem to indicate there would be a big ramp up. Regardless, it's lazy on BMW's part to add that much extra chassis weight and wheel weight and then leave the shocks and springs alone. That's not the right way to do suspension and it's not how they used to do it.
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Old Fri, Oct-26-2018, 04:11:55 AM   #627
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^ unlikely they left everything the exact same as most reports describe at least a few bushing changes.


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Too lazy to find the M2 fread so here it is...
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^ That review was terrible.
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^ That review was terrible.
100% agree. Terrible.

I almost fell asleep during the intro where he kept zooming in and out of the car to the music.
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