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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Thu, Sep-14-2017, 02:36:28 AM   #21
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

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The 335 coupes have pretty flimsy chassis that's easily evident over bumps at speed - stuff the 46M coupe will just eat up. Further, if you start pushing the 335 in the corners it will let you down very early, at about 6/10s - you can literally feel the rear sub frame squirm in its bushings giving the car a very unstable feeling. Drive the speed limit and this doesn't happen - drive the car like an M car and you will be massively unimpressed.

I say this passionately because I borrowed my buddy's 335 couple 6MT last weekend for a couple days - he needed my truck so we swapped. And believe me - I drove the piss out of that thing. Fast, yes, but very flimsy and imprecise and only marginally more comfortable (stock vs stock). He's the original owner, it has been properly maintained and has 80k miles on it so certainly not worn out. Brand new PSS tires, etc.

It's literally like night and day IF you drive your M like an M. It is a massive step backwards unless you just want a fast, sporty DD. But even then it just feels like an old, nothing special Bimmer. Good for its time but definately not good anymore. The 46M still kicks ass.
I don't know if flimsy is the right word to use when the E46 shreds its chassis under stock power. The E9x might not be setup great from the factory, but you can just throw in the M hardware and its fine. There's no fixing the E46 rear floor without major invasive mods (which haven't really been validated if we're honest with ourselves).
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I don't know if flimsy is the right word to use when the E46 shreds its chassis under stock power. The E9x might not be setup great from the factory, but you can just throw in the M hardware and its fine. There's no fixing the E46 rear floor without major invasive mods (which haven't really been validated if we're honest with ourselves).
Flimsy was a poor choice.

The e92 non-M coupe feels tortionally less stiff than the 46M coupe - very obvious behind the wheel once you start pushing the car. M hardware will not fix this although it would help with precision some, for sure (still won't be an M car, though). That same buddy's brother (my close friend) had a 335i sedan w/fixed rear seats and it was on par with the 46M from a rigidity standpoint - much, much better than the coupe.

The 335is is a very harsh riding car with its rubberband tires but nowhere near as good as the 46M. Great looking cars, though.

Now, again - for normal daily use probably a better car but I just can't see someone moving from the 46M to a 335i/is and being satisfied because the 46M sets the bar very high. It's rough around the edges but DAMN good. The E9X non-M is more refined but not really that good.
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The only one I would consider is the 335is, but the M3 is still a better car at the end of the day (naturally I'm biased being on this site)
Even the 335is doesn't really compare to an e46 m3. My 335is is stock and I really regret selling my M3 its just not the same. Might be equal or better with suspension mods but thats $$$
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Old Thu, Sep-14-2017, 02:47:05 AM   #24
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

Hmm.. you can't make room, absolutely impossible? For a car with 200k, you won't get much. It would be shame to give it away.

If you have to i would buy a lower mileage e46 m3 again and transfer whatever parts over that make sense.
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Flimsy was a poor choice.

The e92 non-M coupe feels tortionally less stiff than the 46M coupe - very obvious behind the wheel once you start pushing the car. M hardware will not fix this although it would help with precision for sure. That same buddy's brother (my close friend) had a 335i sedan w/fixed rear seats and it was on par with the 46M from a rigidity standpoint - much, much better than the coupe.
I hate to say it Eric, but that's either placebo or you were feeling something else. Newer BMWs, including the E90s got the same body regardless of folding seats or not (you can actually retrofit folding seats on the E90), and the coupe was stiffer than the sedan that generation. E90 is at 22500 NM/, E92 is a bit higher (though I don't know how much off hand). E46 M3 is at a bit under 19k
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I hate to say it Eric, but that's either placebo or you were feeling something else. Newer BMWs, including the E90s got the same body regardless of folding seats or not (you can actually retrofit folding seats on the E90), and the coupe was stiffer than the sedan that generation.
No way - the sedan is notably stiffer. Must be the B-pillar/placement then if you're saying that the trunk pass-through exists on the fixed rear seat sedans (I'll take your word for it - edit, it does exist on both, you're right).

The brother with the sedan can't stand the coupe - we just had this convo a few weeks back as he also borrowed his brother's coupe. Same thing happened with the 36s and 46s - the sedans, even without fixed rear seats, were stiffer than the coupes. The fixed sedans were way stiffer due to the sheer panel.

Edit - where are the E9X torsional rigidity specs posted? I suppose it could be placebo (it's been a couple years since I've driven the sedan) but I can tell you for sure that the coupe can't touch the 46M.

Found the E90 here, scroll down a bit. Could the coupe be the same? Perhaps, but I doubt it based on the 46 numbers.

http://youwheel.com/home/2016/06/20/...ehensive-list/

Edit2: thinking back to last year when I was test driving E9X M3s, the sedans were notably stiffer than the coupes. They just felt tighter over rough roads, notably. I really don't think it's placebo.
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

Well a lot of the early articles for the E92 mention it being stiffer than the sedan, which probably means that statement was in the original press kit. Trying to track that down


These articles mention 25 percent specifically:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...mw-335i-coupe/
http://web.archive.org/web/201207171...35i-coupe.html
http://www.carmag.co.za/road_test/bm...upe-road-test/

This one doesn't specify a number, but claims it's stifefr:
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/2007-bmw-335i-coupe/
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Yeah, saw those but it just cannot be possible in my mind (could be wrong, of course). I'm pretty sensitive to chassis flex/quiver over bumps - it's literally my biggest pet peeve about a car. The coupe could be stiffer in one plane, perhaps, but on the road it doesn't feel that way.
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m3 > a normal 3 series
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I would not get another BMW. They stand for Brake My Wallet. And I am sure you know exactly what that means. 335i can give you more headache, after all its 8 year old car.
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