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Old Tue, Jun-30-2009, 06:30:22 PM   #11
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Bumping this thread. I did a three day event up at Grattan this past weekend and I am concerned about the oil temps that I saw. Water temps looked alright (slightly pegged above center), but the oil temp was borderline near 300 at the end of a 30 minute session -- definitely way beyond the 255F mark. Dropped significantly during a cool down lap. Ambient was around 90 for the weekend.

I rode in mmmpowr's car which was equipped with the Turner kit. I don't remember seeing anything above the 255F mark in his car. Maybe David will chime in here.
Just get the oil cooler...in the long term it's going to pay for itself. Drew has the machined-aluminum brackets at the shop, and he can save you a few bucks with his shop discount. I know you are driving hard, and when you have the oil cooler, you can redline all the time, never shortshift and you'll be hard pressed to get oil temps above the 255 dot.

I just did 3 days in 90+ temps, never shortshifted and my temps hung around the dot all weekend long (and that was with an oil level just below the max line, which is higher than I normally run, so my temps were higher than normal). When I run oil levels of about midway between min & max line, my temps usually run even lower......the S54 is VERY sensitive to oil levels, and affects temps greatly, even with upgraded capacity. So if you recently got an oil change, perhaps your oil level was a bit higher than normal. Drew overfilled my car recently at an oil change, and I made him drain some out...it makes a huge difference, even in street driving. I was able to tell he put more oil in than I liked just from seeing my normal operating temp from daily driving.

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That's exactly what mine looked at BW in 108 degrees driving the car very hard.
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Old Tue, Jun-30-2009, 08:19:26 PM   #13
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overfilled my car recently at an oil change, and I made him drain some out...it makes a huge difference, even in street driving. I was able to tell he put more oil in than I liked just from seeing my normal operating temp from daily driving.
The devil's in the details.
This is very true. I had an oil leak repaired at the dealership and I noticed my temps were significantly higher as well. I checked the oil level and it was overflown. Had them drain some out and the temps went back to normal.
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Bumping this thread. I did a three day event up at Grattan this past weekend and I am concerned about the oil temps that I saw. Water temps looked alright (slightly pegged above center), but the oil temp was borderline near 300 at the end of a 30 minute session -- definitely way beyond the 255F mark. Dropped significantly during a cool down lap. Ambient was around 90 for the weekend.

I rode in mmmpowr's car which was equipped with the Turner kit. I don't remember seeing anything above the 255F mark in his car. Maybe David will chime in here.
My oil temp was a tad below the 3/4 dot, but by the time I complete the cool down lap, it's basically back to the middle. As for coolent temp, it never went beyond the middle.

I suspect that M3Seeto's radiator itself is clogged with dirt and bug buildup. Last year, when I installed the TMS oil cooler, I also took out the radiator because I needed to replace the PS cooler line too and that required removing the radiator. So I took a hose and sprayed water from the backside out and it was pretty clogged with stuff.
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Hey guys, I haven't had a chance to reply until now. I'm planning to pick up the Turner kit soon. Oil wasn't overfilled (I changed it and checked it before the event). I've also thought about throwing in the motorsport thermostat as I don't drive the car in the winter anyways. Something to ponder I guess.

Here's a short video of a couple laps at Grattan. I did get down to a 1:28.9 but the Chase Cam ran out of memory and I didn't realize it until I got home. There are several areas of improvement (particularly braking into turn 1, after the jump, the hairpin, and turn in for the blind turn before the main straight).

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I wish that was the max mine gets to......
+1. I would be happy to see those ranges.
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i learned a trick on cool down laps from Don Fields, MrMCar

i turn the defroster on and set it at 80F on full blast on my cool down lap

the oil temps come down considerably.
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Old Fri, Jul-10-2009, 09:56:03 PM   #18
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RyanO is absolutely right...he knows as he had one of the best E46 M3's that he raced to win many races.

I have spent hours troubleshooting the water temp problems (search for my threads)

- new water pump (was not the issue
- motorpsort t-stat (POS gimmick)
- new oem radiator (was not the issue)
- new zionsville radiator (looks can kill)

and finally what fixed the issue was removal of the stupid factory aux fan in-front of the radiator and installing an electric fan...have never seen water temps above dead center...this includes driving in 95 plus degree temps...

my current setup does not include a factory aux fan, pointless clutch fan, oem radiator setup with (10% coolant, 2 bottles of water wetter and distilled water) and 2000 CFM electric SPAL fan.

this sub $200 setup can help you lower your water temps...period.
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you might as well check your oil level to ensure it is midway between the min and max on the dipstick. excess oil will definitely cause increased oil temps.
Bump from the dead. Is this really advisable for tracked E46 M3s? Don't fill to the second dot?
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Old Sat, Aug-29-2015, 07:45:09 PM   #20
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False. Mine is filled to the top and my oil temps are stable at 240 on track (AiM solo ecu readings)
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