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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Wed, Mar-08-2017, 06:29:21 AM   #31
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i hate... i HATE that goofy bald bastard with that mustache on "South Beach cars" or whatever it is.. that guy is a douche
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i hate... i HATE that goofy bald bastard with that mustache on "South Beach cars" or whatever it is.. that guy is a douche
Couldn't agree more. And crappy cars to boot.
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They're not giving enough attention to the 36

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I know. I kept waiting to see more.
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Old Wed, Mar-08-2017, 09:15:44 PM   #34
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Hey guys, hope you watched the show where some of it was filmed at Vorshlag. The "cars and sparks" shows range from good to bad, but Fast-n-Loud had some cool cars, at least when Aaron was leading the builds. I've seen every episode, but so many people here in Dallas/Ft Worth have been on that show or worked with them it was hard for me to miss it.

PIRATED VIDEO FROM EPISODE:

The 2nd part of "the build" for Aaron's E36 M3 challenge car was on earlier this week (and will re-air Saturday), and they at least showed a little of his build. Still hoping to see more of it on the "shoot out" episode next week.



This Fast-n-Loud shoot deal happened pretty fast. Aaron turned in his notice to Gas Monkey right as they had kicked off a "build off" between Fast-n-Loud and Street Outlaws. They proposed a 2nd build-off for Aaron vs Farm Truck + AZN from Street Outlaws, and he jumped at it - and immediately called me at Vorshlag. This was about mid-January of this year.



We know AK from Pikes Peak, local Cars & Coffee events, Optima events, etc. He's a super nice guy, not an egomaniac like some TV stars, and an accomplished racer and builder outside of the TV show stuff. He had been by our shop before looking at E36 and E46 LS swaps, so when this came up it was an easy decision.



So he told me about the shootout, what events they had planned (2 of the 5 events are all we knew about: autocross and drag race). We had talked before about our winning build for the $2011 GRM Challenge, and I told him what I thought would make the most sense for the Discovery shootout: E36 LS1. He already knew what I was gonna say, heh.


An in-house E36 LSx build we are doing for a customer, which was filmed extensively for the show - but never shown

On a late Friday night he told me he needed to find a car and round up the swap parts immediately, so I told him to call me back in 5 minutes. By then I found him a cheap E36 M3 rolling chassis (from one of my employees) and rounded up a swap kit with headers from the car above in our shop. They filmed at our shop the following Monday morning, so we thrashed all weekend making the shop as clean as possible.


We had to thrash over 24 hours to finish the dual 3" into 4" exhaust for our customer's E36 LS1, then yank the headers to give to Aaron

He get a $15,000 budget from Discovery Channel for the build, but he and the Street Outlaw guys had an understanding that their builds might cost more - obviously labor was not counted, which can amount to a lot. They all have a bit of pull with some big vendors and can often get free/sponsored tires, wheels and the like. And they both had some "cool parts laying around" that... well.... people at that level tend to have. Like engines, transmissions, etc. No, you cannot build a fast, clean, and good handling E36 LS1 for $15,000 all in!



But at Vorshlag "We sponsor nobody". He paid real money for the engine-less car (it was a little rough), our entire suite of LS1 swap kit parts, and a rushed built set of MCS TT1 coilovers and all of the "Vorshlag stuff" to go with it. He even bought four E46 M3 fenders from us to make the flares to clear 18x11" wheels and 315mm tires. Both of which I told him to use - to help with the autocross portion of the shootout.

So yea, a big chunk of that "$15,000" was spent here at my shop. Realistically its about $25-30K worth of car and parts, plus lots of labor. And he could lose it all if he doesn't win 3 outta 5 events... but so could Farm Truck and AZN. Neither team wants to lose their investment, or the $15K from Discovery. The challenge is real.

Aaron already had an LS engine laying around (who doesn't, hehe), some mystery T56 from another project (nobody knows what that bastard "T56" trans really was, but it was weird and caused some "problems"), and he had to compromise on a few items that he could get sponsored and/or built to order super fast, like the wheels & tires (Nittos, ugh).



We BEGGED him to use Hoosier A7s (see a 315mm Hoosier sitting next to me in the image above - we talked a lot about tires on camera, which you will likely never see), as they are DOT legal and that's the minimum that the two teams agreed to, but the budget just wasn't there so he had to "get what he could get". The timeline was also pretty brutal... he had to build the car in 3.5 weeks (not the 6 weeks said on the show), including custom flares/bodywork, which is nuts. This is a 6+ month build at most shops, working normal 40 hour weeks. And he built all of it in his home garage, mostly by himself! He bought almost everything we make for the swap, to save time, and we had to rob the headers off a customer's car (who approved) to meet the crazy timeline.



So yea, the $15K car + parts budget isn't 100% real, but if he loses the 3 outta 5 shootout he loses the car, all the labor, and his engine/trans. So the risk is very real. Watch next week to see the outcome - I literally don't know if he won or lost.



There was 6 hours of TV footage shot at Vorshlag, but we got 3 minutes of air time. Which is to be expected, and I'm happy with how it turned out, in any case.


"I don't know what to do with my hands"

Remember: next week's episode (Monday on Discovery at 7 CST/8 EST) is the big shootout, and we're hoping that Aaron's LS1 powered E36 M3 on 315mm tires with MCS coilovers can beat whatever FARM TRUCK and AZN built.

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Old Wed, Mar-08-2017, 09:38:18 PM   #35
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Awesome!

Yeah, a big hp NA LS swap 95 M3 is one hell of an all-around car. It will be interesting to see what Azn and Farmtruck bring, probably a beat c5z with a couple g's in tires and bolt ons
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This just reignited my interest in Fast N Loud. I'll be watching the last two episodes this weekend in preparation for Monday night's.

Thanks for giving us some "behind the scenes" stuff, Terry!
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So I guess we cannot order the AK spec E36M3 with modded LS1 from Vorshlag for $15k. But at least there is some reality in reality TV in that the shootout will be real.

And of course all the hard work is real. I appreciate the insight into what it took to do this in the actual time frame.
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I wonder if he'll fall in love with the e36 as a track car and keep racing it...if he wins at least lol
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Thanks for the insight Terry. Good thing I don't have an extra $15k laying around to put an LS swap in my E36.

To be honest, I cancelled cable just because even the car shows became unwatchable. And as a car guy, that was the last straw. But this is super interesting. Might have to pay for this 1 episode!
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