BMW M3 Forum
BMW M3 Forum BMW M3 Gallery BMW M3 Reviews BMW M3 Social Groups BMW M3 Chat M3Forum Sponsors >>
Loading


Mobile M3forum
Go Back   BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3 | F80/X) > BMW M3 Discussions > E36 M3 (1992-1999)
Tire Rack Buy Winter Tires Now!
Not a member? Register Now!
Register Gallery All Albums Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Calendar FAQ

E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Fri, Feb-03-2017, 10:07:03 PM   #21
nholmes
Track Junky
 
nholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 639
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 nholmes is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by englishtom1596q View Post
after I did mine on my old car it was pretty similar.
Glad to see another data point.

Thank you for chiming in.

__________________
Follow my build thread here:

Jump to top nholmes is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Register now and remove these ads
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 05:40:58 AM   #22
nholmes
Track Junky
 
nholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 639
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 nholmes is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Going to have to drive this.

Still feels like I'm missing 1-2. It almost feels like they're behind the reverse lockout.

I just tried re-centering the shifter and adjusting the vertical pivot, but it's still... strange.
__________________
Follow my build thread here:

Jump to top nholmes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 02:12:33 PM   #23
mpwrcpe
The Throbbing Gristle
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 280
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 mpwrcpe is on a distinguished road
Location: Prescott, AZ

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Mine will be here Friday, so hopefully I'll have it installed Friday lol. I'll let you know what I find.

The video showing you rowing through the gears looked ok no? Also your RTD shifter has no reverse lockout?

Why not throw a stock selector rod in to check/compare? I can't really see how the DSSR would affect engagement but who knows.

On a side note, I'll be doing a direct comparison between the RTD non-lockout and AKG Stage II shifters once installed.
__________________
///'95 Avus M3 S54B32 - Stripped, caged @ 2681#
///'90 Calypso 325ic (70K miles)
///'72 Chamonix 2002 (Restoration project)
///'87 Alpine 535is
'15 Touareg TDI (Race car hauler)
Jump to top mpwrcpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 04:50:54 PM   #24
nholmes
Track Junky
 
nholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 639
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 nholmes is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

That will be great.

I think I was actually shifting 3-4, 3-4, 5 when I was trying to row through the gears.

I'm going to drop the exhaust and driveshaft tonight then take out the AKG DSSR.

I'm wondering if the new pins and shift selector pin are part of the problem. It seems strange to me that something as simple as the DSSR would create this situation.

All it does is push and twist the selector shaft...

I'm also going to loosen the trans bracket and see if the freedom of movement for the transmission helps with adjustment.
__________________
Follow my build thread here:

Jump to top nholmes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 06:49:28 PM   #25
mpwrcpe
The Throbbing Gristle
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 280
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 mpwrcpe is on a distinguished road
Location: Prescott, AZ

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by nholmes View Post
That will be great.

I think I was actually shifting 3-4, 3-4, 5 when I was trying to row through the gears.

I'm going to drop the exhaust and driveshaft tonight then take out the AKG DSSR.

I'm wondering if the new pins and shift selector pin are part of the problem. It seems strange to me that something as simple as the DSSR would create this situation.

All it does is push and twist the selector shaft...

I'm also going to loosen the trans bracket and see if the freedom of movement for the transmission helps with adjustment.
You can get the DSSR out with the exhaust and driveshaft installed.
__________________
///'95 Avus M3 S54B32 - Stripped, caged @ 2681#
///'90 Calypso 325ic (70K miles)
///'72 Chamonix 2002 (Restoration project)
///'87 Alpine 535is
'15 Touareg TDI (Race car hauler)
Jump to top mpwrcpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 06:56:02 PM   #26
nholmes
Track Junky
 
nholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 639
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 nholmes is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpwrcpe View Post
You can get the DSSR out with the exhaust and driveshaft installed.
I would normally agree with you, but the fitment and tolerance was so tight with mine, I had to tap it in with a rubber mallet (even when coated with white lithium grease) just to seat it on the end of the shifter and the gearshift rod joint.
__________________
Follow my build thread here:

Jump to top nholmes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 07:13:56 PM   #27
mpwrcpe
The Throbbing Gristle
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 280
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 mpwrcpe is on a distinguished road
Location: Prescott, AZ

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by nholmes View Post
I would normally agree with you, but the fitment and tolerance was so tight with mine, I had to tap it in with a rubber mallet (even when coated with white lithium grease) just to seat it on the end of the shifter and the gearshift rod joint.
Holy smokes that's tight.
__________________
///'95 Avus M3 S54B32 - Stripped, caged @ 2681#
///'90 Calypso 325ic (70K miles)
///'72 Chamonix 2002 (Restoration project)
///'87 Alpine 535is
'15 Touareg TDI (Race car hauler)
Jump to top mpwrcpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 07:17:39 PM   #28
nholmes
Track Junky
 
nholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 639
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 nholmes is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Yeah. Really didn't seem normal to me, but maybe this is to help make the DSSR feel solid?

I can probably get the c-clips off, but there is no way I can get the leverage to remove the DSSR with the driveshaft in the way.

I might be able to use one of my pry bars to gently coax it off, but once it's off - that's it...
__________________
Follow my build thread here:

Jump to top nholmes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 07:33:07 PM   #29
nholmes
Track Junky
 
nholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 639
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 nholmes is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Googling reveals similar issues:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPoland View Post
I had the same issue so don't worry. Some of the bushing material will need to be removed. You can choose your method for removing the material but I suggest only doing small amounts at a time.
One option is to see if you can get the lever bushing started into the DSSR and then tap it in with a mallet. The DSSR would then shave off and excess material and leave you with an exact fit. This is what I did and it worked well. You will want to go through that process again and again until it slides in with relative ease (it should still require some effort but not much). Greasing the bushing or inside of the DSSR forks helps a lot and I suggest doing this with the final assembly as well.
Once you are to the point where the lever and DSSR line up well, go ahead and test fit the pin. You may find that the tolerance is tight for the pin and inside of the bushing as well. Again, small taps with a mallet, use of grease, and doing this over and over until assembly is easy is the way to go IMO.

As a caveat, the reason the parts need to be able to slide in with relative ease is that you want to be able to make small position adjustments to line the holes up for the pin (also suggest greasing the pin, may also require very light tapping into place) and be able to slide the pin in with the shifter in place from under the car and there isn't really enough room to use a mallet to hit it with much force.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KBuva06 View Post
bumparoni

about to deal with this same issue lol




You can see how tight clearance is in this pic I found online:

__________________
Follow my build thread here:

Jump to top nholmes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 07:43:45 PM   #30
mpwrcpe
The Throbbing Gristle
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 280
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 mpwrcpe is on a distinguished road
Location: Prescott, AZ

United States




Default Re: ZF320 Detent Pin Question

Well it's supposed to be a close fit, but not hammer it together close.

When you disassemble it use some 220 grit paper to fit the selector joint and shifter into the DSSR so it's a 'pressure' slip fit, that's exactly what I did. Now I can very easily remove the assembly with my driveshaft and exhaust installed, and there is no slop in the parts fit-up. My current AKG Stage II works wonderfully.
__________________
///'95 Avus M3 S54B32 - Stripped, caged @ 2681#
///'90 Calypso 325ic (70K miles)
///'72 Chamonix 2002 (Restoration project)
///'87 Alpine 535is
'15 Touareg TDI (Race car hauler)
Jump to top mpwrcpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:41:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
M3Forum.com and M3forum.net is in no way sponsored, endorsed or affiliated by or with BMW NA / BMW AG or any of it's subsidiaries or vendors.
BMW and M3 (E90 M3 | E92 M3 | E93 M3 | E46 M3 | E36 M3 | E30 M3) are registered trademarks of BMW AG.
M3Forum Terms of Service
Copyright 1999-2017 M3Forum.com
Discussing ZF320 Detent Pin Question in the E36 M3 (1992-1999) Forum - {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999 at BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3 | F80/X)