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E90 M3 (Sedan) | E92 M3 (Coupe) | E93 M3 (Convertible) (2008-2013) {Engine: S65 - Max Hp: 414 hp (420 hp Euro) at 8,300 rpm / 295 lb/ft at 3,900 rpm}


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Old Sun, Feb-05-2017, 05:40:45 PM   #31
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Yeah, I know how to drive stick and still prefer DCT. It's flat-out better for this car. What you may see as "involving" I see as tedious, same as when motorcycles needed to be kickstarted or cars lacked power steering. All the clutch pedal is doing for me is slowing me down and being a nuisance in traffic. The motorcycle is obviously manual, as DCT adds too much weight and the only bikes with it right now are cruisers, but using the clutch isn't an exciting part of riding or driving. That bit has never made sense, to me it's about progressing to be able to handle the car better around turns, etc. not mastering the use of old tech that doesn't add anything anymore. It's like making a hoopla about the process of managing your music collection, when really I just want that shit to work.
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Yeah, I know how to drive stick and still prefer DCT. It's flat-out better for this car. What you may see as "involving" I see as tedious, same as when motorcycles needed to be kickstarted or cars lacked power steering. All the clutch pedal is doing for me is slowing me down and being a nuisance in traffic. The motorcycle is obviously manual, as DCT adds too much weight and the only bikes with it right now are cruisers, but using the clutch isn't an exciting part of riding or driving. That bit has never made sense, to me it's about progressing to be able to handle the car better around turns, etc. not mastering the use of old tech that doesn't add anything anymore. It's like making a hoopla about the process of managing your music collection, when really I just want that shit to work.
Yea, I argree with the tedious aspect of it.

I just don't want to commit an extra hand and foot to daily driving, I want to relax one foot and drive with one hand for slow speeds, without worrying about deploying every extremity I have just to shift gears lol.
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There was a time when manuals outperformed automatics in a straightline or around a track or in fuel economy. That time is over, whether the automatic is a torque converter or wet or dry clutch DCT/PDK/DSG.

A manual does give you more to do while driving if that is what you want, and is cheaper in the long term as long as you don't miss a shift somewhere along the line.

I have a 6MT, but my next car will be auto or DCT/PDK.
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I need a car that steers around the track for me, so I only have to deal with accelerating and braking. Computers are faster than humans, and faster = better, so this is better. Can I get this yet?

People who steer for themselves are holding on to a dying technology.
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Can't wait till I can go to the track and just have my car drive me around on full autopilot. Faster and more consistent than I could ever be!

Faster is better. Fact.


Can't wait till this technology is available!
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The spoon fed, whining, entitled generation = DCT. Basically lazy cause a little bit of work is considered an inconvenience. What else can the car industry do for you?
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You dinosaurs are fighting an uphill battle. Manual trans in performance cars are disappearing fast and when they are offered, are chosen by only a few.

Get roll down windows and nonpower steering while you are at it. If you really want to go slower and have a lot more to do, get rid of limited slip and abs.

How about manual trans 1970 2002 or 1974 Bavaria or 79 635 CSI? Lots of engagement driving those. We had/have them and I honestly have little interest driving them except for very occasional entertainment.
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You dinosaurs are fighting an uphill battle. Manual trans in performance cars are disappearing fast and when they are offered, are chosen by only a few.

Get roll down windows and nonpower steering while you are at it. If you really want to go slower and have a lot more to do, get rid of limited slip and abs.

How about manual trans 1970 2002 or 1974 Bavaria or 79 635 CSI? Lots of engagement driving those. We had/have them and I honestly have little interest driving them except for very occasional entertainment.
You're right. Although think of it like this. In a couple of 100 years from now, humans will be dumbified to the point they won't even know how to drive a car anymore. Cars will be autonomous.

Just look at the present with crotch phones. It has conditioned and stupified a n entire population.
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I need a car that steers around the track for me, so I only have to deal with accelerating and braking. Computers are faster than humans, and faster = better, so this is better. Can I get this yet?

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Can't wait till I can go to the track and just have my car drive me around on full autopilot. Faster and more consistent than I could ever be!

Faster is better. Fact.

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Literally retarded. The enjoyable part of driving is the driving, not ****ing around with a pedal and stick. But hey, everything's black and white, you love manual or you want to be chauffered around a track, right? I take it you've torn all the comfort and ease-of-use refinements out of your car, right? No power steering, no power brakes, throttle is by a cable, ABS and traction control don't exist, etc. If not, you're being an obtuse moron.

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The spoon fed, whining, entitled generation = DCT. Basically lazy cause a little bit of work is considered an inconvenience. What else can the car industry do for you?
Oh noes, adding pointless work to make me go slower isn't something I want, that means I'm a spoon fed, whining, lazy millenial. I can mod your car to be more enjoyable to you then! See above items, remove them. Or are you being retarded simply because you think your enjoyment of a transmission type makes you a better ____?

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You're right. Although think of it like this. In a couple of 100 years from now, humans will be dumbified to the point they won't even know how to drive a car anymore. Cars will be autonomous.

Just look at the present with crotch phones. It has conditioned and stupified a n entire population.
Yes, because people are dumber today than they were in the 50s when you were relevant... Hint: despite the dumb stereotypes, average intelligence is increasing, statistically. The old people always think the younger people are dumb because they don't agree with the old person's way of doing things.
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You're simply stupid.
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