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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Fri, Jul-13-2018, 04:46:28 PM   #1
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Default Timing tool locking pin doesn't fit!

Hey guys I'm trying to do my beisan oil pump disk and timing chain guide but I can't get my timing bridge locking pin to go in. I rented the tools from someone on the forum and it's supposed to be a BMW tool. it's made by TRR and the part number is 11 9 130/131 VL3


Here's a video of my problem specifically




Here's where it is at top dead center when the camshafts are locked correctly




Any insight would be seriously appreciated. Im seriously confused
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Default Re: Timing tool locking pin doesn't fit!

OMG don't force it.. yikes.

That tool's purpose is *not* to "lock" the camshafts. It's there to time the camshafts.

If you have to lift one side (as you did right before the pin engaged) the camshaft is not in time. When you can slide the pin into the camshaft without raising one side of the bridge, the engine is in time
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OMG don't force it.. yikes.

That tool's purpose is *not* to "lock" the camshafts. It's there to time the camshafts.

If you have to lift one side (as you did right before the pin engaged) the camshaft is not in time. When you can slide the pin into the camshaft without raising one side of the bridge, the engine is in time



Does that mean I don't have the correct tool? The engine should be correct this is the first time the valve cover has been off it
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Default Timing tool locking pin doesn't fit!

The camshaft lobes on cylinder 1 need to be at a 45 degree angle facing other. Post up a close picture showing which way they are facing.

And take a look at the Vanos Thread in my SIG.
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The camshaft lobes on cylinder 1 need to be at a 45 degree angle facing other. Post up a close picture showing which way they are facing.

And take a look at the Vanos Thread in my SIG.
I had the camshaft locking pin in it, I thought I was supposed to start with that

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Does that mean I don't have the correct tool? The engine should be correct this is the first time the valve cover has been off it
You have the correct tool, you're just using it wrong.

No, the cams are going to be in whatever position Vanos left off at. You need to use a wrench and put them back in time as specified in the Beisan instructions
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Default Timing tool locking pin doesn't fit!

This is what I was referring to.

http://www.beisansystems.com/procedu..._procedure.htm



Fully retard exhaust camshaft timing.
Place open wrench (24mm combo wrench) on exhaust camshaft hex at front of camshaft.
Rotate exhaust camshaft counter clockwise to adjustment end position. If camshaft resistant to rotation rock camshaft back and forth to release seize.
Note: Camshaft rotation is most effective when standing at exhaust side of car.
Note: Splined shaft can be seen protruding from sprocket hub front when camshaft is at adjustment end position.

Note: Camshaft adjustment causes full camshaft timing retard. This causes splined shaft and vanos piston forward positioning. This facilitates access for disconnecting splined shaft from vanos piston in coming step.

When intake and exhaust camshafts are fully retarded holes in the camshafts between cylinder 2 & 3 will point up perpendicularly to engine head.

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Default Re: Timing tool locking pin doesn't fit!

I'm an idiot, I'ma read the beisan guide again


In my head I thought I was supposed to lock the camshafts together to do all the work. I think maybe I was thinking about a head gasket job and completely confused myself
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Default Re: Timing tool locking pin doesn't fit!

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I'm an idiot, I'ma read the beisan guide again





In my head I thought I was supposed to lock the camshafts together to do all the work. I think maybe I was thinking about a head gasket job and completely confused myself


Itís not a locking tool. Itís a timing tool.


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I'm an idiot

100% agree...lol (I kid)

You do want to lock the crank at TDC before taking it all apart.



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