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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Mon, Feb-06-2017, 08:47:46 PM   #31
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I didn't want to make a new thread, so I'll just post here. The seller of this car contacted me to let me know that he's selling it. I have not spoken to him yet, so I just want initial thoughts.

$7k
1997
Red/black
One owner
160k miles
Clean title
Non-smoker
Hood and trunk emblems are missing in photos, but he just detailed it and installed new emblems.

Some items recently replaced/work done, with documentation:
Alternator
Belts, pulleys, tensioners
Brake pads, rotors, sensors
Fuel pump, sending unit, filter
T-stat and housing
Expansion tank
Spark plugs
RSMs
FR wheel bearing
Driver window motor
ICV hose
Battery
New tires
Hood shocks
Engine and air filters
Hood and trunk emblems
Wiper blades
Oil/filter change
Fuel injector flush
Rebuilt VANOS
Cylinder head gasket
Valve cover gasket









Some things I'm seeing in the photos..
M3 badge is askew
Looks like rear bumper paint is peeling
Cheap tires
Torn steering wheel (the school bus wheel would have to go, regardless of condition)
Rear left jack cover is black.
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If there are no MAJOR red flags, its a good deal.
I don't doubt from what you described, its been rear ended. That said, if you can get proof it wasn't major, I'd move forward with a PPI. Expect to address a few things immediately.
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Seems like a fair deal for a one owner 160k mile car that has been reasonably maintained.
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Old Tue, Feb-07-2017, 12:24:45 AM   #35
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Well..this is a flip car. Posted below are his responses to my questions as well as some of my comments.

Original owner is a 70 year old bro who stopped driving the car "6-8 years ago" and sold it last Dec to a guy (seller) who works at this shop. Assuming the car was driven 19,500 miles/yr, the current mileage would be consistent with the ~8 years the car was driven. Apparently this guy and his brother replaced everything that was wrong mechanically. I asked about fluids, and he said he changed motor oil, coolant, and did "fuel injector flush." Asked about other fluids like brake, trans, diff, and he said something along the lines of "we replaced those too, but I don't have any receipts for the fluid because we stock those at the shop. Only have receipts for stuff we had to order."

They inspected the car and could not find signs of collision, all VIN tags intact, a handful of dents.
Car has always been in Austin
No worthy service records from PO
Windshield has cracks and needs to be replaced
Rear window weatherstripping cracked
Recommends replacing windshield cowl
Assumes clutch is stock
Throw out bearing is a bit noisy and might need replacing, but he claims that driving it as is won't be an issue for a while
Believes shocks/struts are original, but they aren't blown
Exterior - hazing on roof and hood, recommends wet sanding; rear bumper has a lot of fine scratches which is what you see in photos
Interior - seats in great condition, steering wheel torn, headliner sag
No fifth gear lean
No major issues with car
Has driven ~1k miles since fixing
Assumes no track use bc of PO's age
Does not seem to know the weak points of the E36
No mods
Used OE, OEM, and OEM equivalent parts (Bosch, Textar, etc)
Says wheels actually aren't LTW wheels
Didn't do some work like replace windshield bc they've already put too much money into the car.

It was too good to be true.
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Old Tue, Feb-07-2017, 12:29:33 AM   #36
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Those are 100% OEM style 24 wheels.
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Those are 100% OEM style 24 wheels.
Bro, he checked and confirmed. They'd be worth more if they were real, according to him.

They could be replicas, but I don't think the original owner would do that.

Should I offer $4-5k? Lol
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...Dont take this the wrong way but you're being really picky for the price range you're shopping in. $7K for that is still a great deal even with those minor things. If you want a completely sorted car with no interior or exterior blemishes then start looking to spend upwards of $12k. If you're using the car for a DD then does some light paint blemishes really matter? If the clutch is original and the pilot bearing is making noise then take $500 off for a DIY clutch job and enjoy the car until it goes (probably another 40K miles if you drive it right). I bought mine for $8K knowing that it was going to need things along the way compared to my $10.5K one that needed nothing. Its how the market is and you get what you pay for.
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...Dont take this the wrong way but you're being really picky for the price range you're shopping in. $7K for that is still a great deal even with those minor things. If you want a completely sorted car with no interior or exterior blemishes then start looking to spend upwards of $12k. If you're using the car for a DD then does some light paint blemishes really matter? If the clutch is original and the pilot bearing is making noise then take $500 off for a DIY clutch job and enjoy the car until it goes (probably another 40K miles if you drive it right). I bought mine for $8K knowing that it was going to need things along the way compared to my $10.5K one that needed nothing. Its how the market is and you get what you pay for.
Oh no, I understand. I ask about little details simply because I want to know about them. Minor issues, such as cracking rubber, paint issues, dents, do not disqualify the car from consideration. Those can be fixed easily. The whole flip deal here, lack of documentation from 73k miles to 160k miles, and sitting for 8 years make me .

Also, I can't DIY a clutch job lol.
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Yeah I don't see this car as being a "too good to be true" car.
It shows exactly as what I'd expect minus their being no accidents. I still would call bullshit on that with the rear bumper paint being shitty, and the missing/misaligned emblem.
I'd still PPI it at that price and be ready to lowball.
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