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Old Tue, Jan-09-2018, 12:58:10 AM   #1
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Default Preferred 200 UTQG tire, and size...?

Hey guys, I'm considering tire options and I figured it would be better to post in here than the E36 section. I'm looking at options between 235, 245 and 255 on a 17x8.5 ET40 wheel. I'm not opposed to running spacers but I would prefer to keep them small. What's the consensus on a 235/45/17 vs 245/40/17 and 255/40/17? Any thoughts on the idea of a 235/40/17 with a smaller sidewall...?

I ran a set of Advan A052s on my 18-inch BBS RGR wheels, 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. The tire is good, very sticky, but they wore out really fast and they cost a lot more than the other tires I'm considering. The tires I'm considering are the Bridgestone RE-71R, Dunlop Star Spec, Kumho V720 and Toyo R1R. If the AD08R was still around, I would do that but they are being phased out by Yokohama sooooo...

I'm shying away from the NT01/R888 route for now just because I don't feel like running an R compound as my "just for fun" track tire. I'm not competing anywhere and don't have immediate plans to do so, although if I were to, I would probably need a 200 treadwear. Plus I would like to get just a little bit more life out of a set.

My rear fenders are trimmed and I didn't have any issues with rubbing. My front fenders are stock, I would consider a roll but if I don't have to that's even better. I'm inclined to say the 255 is maybe too wide but I know some guys run 255s with good results.

My setup is stock motor with bolt ons, KW Clubsports, ST bars, Powerflex adjustable LCAs and various bushings if that helps. Any thoughts are appreciated, thanks!

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Default Re: Preferred 200 UTQG tire, and size...?

I’ll chime in as i ran the RE71’s after a set of NT01’s and they were 300 more for the set, and lasted 3 less days. , so really i didn’t see the point of the 200wt tire.

I think the NT01 is still the track day king. I can get 25+ sessions out of them if i rotate them at lunch or in between. Most i have seen is 27 sessions out of a set. Should be more for you if you are in an e36. I wouldn’t run a Hoosier as a track day tire though. Waste of money IMO.
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I’ve heard a lot of people complain about RE-71s not gripping on hot days. They’ll stick for maybe two or three laps then drop off. I’ve used Nankang NS-2Rs with good results. They come in 120TW and 180TW; I had 120. They never greased, lasted a while, were consistent, and gripped well every session. I did accidentally wear them out prematurely because of lots of negative camber and not flipping tire on the wheel. I wanted to see if I could run them to the cords.
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Damn no kidding? I wouldn't expect the NT01 to last that long. I would love to get 5 track days from a set of tires if possible.
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Damn no kidding? I wouldn't expect the NT01 to last that long. I would love to get 5 track days from a set of tires if possible.
Has not been a problem for me with NT01ís. If you want to go cheap look into a 255 or 265 FZ201. I put 12 sessions on them in two days and they surprisingly have a ton of tread left. Not sure about heat cycles though because no one else has run them, lol.
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Not good feedback on the RE-71R huh...
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I don't think I can fit a 265 and to be honest, I think a tire that wide on a small car with low power would be annoying to drive...
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I don't think I can fit a 265 and to be honest, I think a tire that wide on a small car with low power would be annoying to drive...
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NEW 245/40R18 FEDERAL FZ-201 SEMI SLICK TIRE 93Y 245/40/18 FZ 201 (M) https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F292214462324
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Iíll chime in as i ran the RE71ís after a set of NT01ís and they were 300 more for the set, and lasted 3 less days. , so really i didnít see the point of the 200wt tire.

I think the NT01 is still the track day king. I can get 25+ sessions out of them if i rotate them at lunch or in between. Most i have seen is 27 sessions out of a set. Should be more for you if you are in an e36. I wouldnít run a Hoosier as a track day tire though. Waste of money IMO.
I've had similar experience, although I think it's worth noting that there's a 200 utqg tire (RE-71R) that outperforms a 100 utqg tire (NT-01). Some forms of racing require a 200+ and, for those, the RE-71R is the fastest available. For example, some classes in SCCA autocross and WRL endurance, although for endurance, I'd run a Hankook R-S4 instead. The R-S4 is nearly as fast, but lasts at least twice as long and could be a very good contender for OP's purposes. TireRack's test from last summer's best extreme street tires

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Damn no kidding? I wouldn't expect the NT01 to last that long. I would love to get 5 track days from a set of tires if possible.
I get 3-5 days from my normal race tires, which are usually BFG R1s, sometimes Hoosier R7s. I practice on NT-01s and Maxxis RC-1s. NT-01s and RC-1s are in a unique category of track tire where the first half dozen heat cycles aren't super impressive, but they seem to actually improve a bit after that before falling off. They never reach the ultimate speeds of R7s or R1s, let alone A7s or R1Ss, but they plateau for a very long time. My advice to folks who either haven't used NT-01s/RC-1s before or have used them and were disappointed is to abuse the hell out of them. I initially hated my RC-1s, so I decided to kill them one day at the track by underinflating a bit (25 cold) and driving them like a pissed off teenager for 15+ laps per session, no easy laps. Much to my surprise, they started delivering some fantastic times. In fact, my personal best time at a local track is on a set of 2 year old RC-1s with 20+ heat cycles on them. They barely nudged out the heat-cycled R1s I had on there just prior and spanked the sticker C51s I had on earlier in the season (I don't understand the support for C51s, but that's a topic for a different time).
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Check these out.

NEW 245/40R18 FEDERAL FZ-201 SEMI SLICK TIRE 93Y 245/40/18 FZ 201 (M) https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F292214462324
Odd. I paid $600 shipped for 265/35R18, which doesnít show up on eBay anymore.
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