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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Tue, Jun-23-2015, 01:19:38 AM   #21
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Helpful discussion. Thanks for the input. I guess I'm looking more for road feel than power. E90 M3s would be within budget, but I'm not interested in that much engine. Plus the gas mileage. E46 M3s certainly would be affordable, and maybe that's worth a look. Since I don't have the skills to work on cars, maintenance and repairs sort of give me pause, but then you can pay for years of maintenance with the money you'd save on an older car.

I'm hoping to get a chance to drive an F30 with M-Sport, and hoping that the suspension on a car optioned that way would fit the bill. I'm looking for a manual transmission, four doors, and a good stereo. Looks like maybe 1 in 20 cars have a 6mt, so the search hasn't been easy. Brand new, fully optioned these cars msrp at better than $50K, and that seems like too much for a 3 series. Maybe in another year the F80 M3s will be on the used market sub $50K.

Maybe I should just hold on to what I have and see if a neighbor across the street would rent me a garage stall. Over this past year, I've seen plenty of stories of regret from folks who let their E36 M3s go. Again, I appreciate the discussion.
You might consider, if you can find one, is an M Sport E90 335D. I tried to find one a while back. To me it is the best DD you can find in a used car. I could only find one locally and I loved it but the color combo sucked so I passed.
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From everything I've read the newer cars are a real letdown in the "feel" department. Even the owners complain. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=671559

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For me, the problem with F30's steering is not how light the wheel is; the problem is lack of feedback from the steering wheel. If you drive the e90 and f30 back to back, you will notice a huge difference in feedback from the steering wheel. In the e90, you know exactly what the tires are doing from the feedback you get through the steering wheel. In the F30, you don't. You still get feedback from the seat and the general dynamics of the car, but not through the steering wheel.
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Someone give this guy a medal, seriously--nailed it on the head. I tried so hard to like the f30 (looks sick in estoril blue), but the wheel felt so ponderous during turns. With my e92, I can make so many adjustments within a turn and feel confident that the car is going where I want it to go. The f30 just doesn't transmit anything through the wheel.
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Old Tue, Jun-23-2015, 08:37:30 PM   #23
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From everything I've read the newer cars are a real letdown in the "feel" department. Even the owners complain. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=671559
It's pretty hilarious, given how bad the E90's steering is.
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It's pretty hilarious, given how bad the E90's steering is.
I love the E90 steering. It's got a very natural, weighted feeling with just enough feedback. Its solid but refined. It feels much like the E46 steering.....just about perfect.
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Old Wed, Jun-24-2015, 03:24:15 AM   #25
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Well OP, I think you need to go out and test drive some cars. By getting real world seat time behinds some sleds, this will help in your decision making process. I'm in a E46M now, but I know my next sled is going to be a E92 M3 simply because of this:

That is 413 WHP. After a little arithmetic, that is 503 flywheel HP!!! Just stop and think about this for a moment... How much fun would that be? It'd be off the fkkn chain fun that's what. That's important to me... Make a list of what's important to you and let that guide your sled selection. Happy motoring!
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Yep^^

Waiting for someone to cry about the "low" torque

That car would HAUL ASS. That's a race engine built for the street..... amazing.
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get a e82 128i and do the e9x m3 suspension bits. modern day e36 m3
This or E46M
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I have 428GC M sport, pretty close to a 328. Yes, the e-steering isn't as good as the e36 M3, but it's not bad either....and the car is just as fast as the e36 which is quite impressive for heavy 4 banger. The 8 speed tranny is excellent too for an automatic. Shifts are almost DCT quick. Sometimes it's nice driving a reliable car with modern tech.
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I have 428GC M sport, pretty close to a 328. Yes, the e-steering isn't as good as the e36 M3, but it's not bad either....and the car is just as fast as the e36 which is quite impressive for heavy 4 banger. The 8 speed tranny is excellent too for an automatic. Shifts are almost DCT quick. Sometimes it's nice driving a reliable car with modern tech.
Does the M sport alter the steering in any way relative to a base/non-M sport car?

And yes, they are every bit as fast as a 36M. I thought it felt nearly as fast as the 46M in most situations. Very impressive midrange..... just don't try to redline it

Sidebar - is your E36 sedan for sale? I'm local and serious....
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Helpful discussion. Thanks for the input. I guess I'm looking more for road feel than power. E90 M3s would be within budget, but I'm not interested in that much engine. Plus the gas mileage. E46 M3s certainly would be affordable, and maybe that's worth a look. Since I don't have the skills to work on cars, maintenance and repairs sort of give me pause, but then you can pay for years of maintenance with the money you'd save on an older car.

I'm hoping to get a chance to drive an F30 with M-Sport, and hoping that the suspension on a car optioned that way would fit the bill. I'm looking for a manual transmission, four doors, and a good stereo. Looks like maybe 1 in 20 cars have a 6mt, so the search hasn't been easy. Brand new, fully optioned these cars msrp at better than $50K, and that seems like too much for a 3 series. Maybe in another year the F80 M3s will be on the used market sub $50K.

Maybe I should just hold on to what I have and see if a neighbor across the street would rent me a garage stall. Over this past year, I've seen plenty of stories of regret from folks who let their E36 M3s go. Again, I appreciate the discussion.


honestly i think you would crap a bucket of bricks if you drove a nicely sorted 993. or even a 996 (turbo's dont have bearing issues...) 997's are an option too. the bmw's are nice but none of them really do it for me anymore, i like the older cars, and the e36 is my compromise of new sports car, theres a theater to older cars, the new things are sterile, a spirited drive in the etype at 45-50mph is an experience. same roads and same speeds in a e90 was boring. it would have been fun at 90-100 but sorry, no. not going to happen in the real world.
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