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E90 M3 (Sedan) | E92 M3 (Coupe) | E93 M3 (Convertible) (2008-2013) {Engine: S65 - Max Hp: 414 hp (420 hp Euro) at 8,300 rpm / 295 lb/ft at 3,900 rpm}

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Old Mon, Dec-17-2018, 06:58:32 PM   #21
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Default Re: E46 M3 to E92 ZCP

I've always been a fan of the E46 M3, but the E92 M3 won out and I have not looked back since. I've never gotten in my car and thought it was too slow or gutless. I've got 3 M's and the E92 would be the last to go.

I will throw something else out there. When I was looking to add a car with an S54, I considered the E46 (for the 3rd time) and ended up getting a Z4M Roadster. If you can live with 2 seats or are looking for a weekend car, this thing hits the spot. A clean one is very reasonably priced considering the price of E46's have sky rocketed
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Old Tue, Dec-18-2018, 09:46:38 PM   #22
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Default Re: E46 M3 to E92 ZCP

Originally Posted by tdott View Post
I own both.

The E9x is a better overall package, faster in every way but does feel bigger with a bit of heft. That is what also makes it feel more refined while being more capable at the same time. It’s great package and you can’t beat that V8 sound.

Now the e46 has some strengths also, it’s got a few hundreds lbs less going for it, which makes it feel a bit more “raw” but also less refined. Not a huge fan of the e46 interior which doesn’t seem to age well when not taken care of.

Saying the V8 is gutless and has no tq is silly and probably isn’t being driven how it’s meant to. The S65 has more tq over the entire rev range than an s54, so if the s65 is gutless then the s54 must feel like a 4cy Honda.
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Couldn't agree more. My viewpoint is from a track perspective only, while I like the e46 and won a shit ton of races with it, it is a 20+ year old platform and it was time to move into something more modern. The E90 is heavier but turns in quicker and rotates better and has much less under steer that the E46. Add the fact that I don't have to ring out the S54 chasing mustangs and vettes (Touring 1 class, SCCA) the S65 is a joy to drive. The power is so linear and predictable and the sound is intoxicating. I was very hesitant to move to the platform until I drove it on the track and after the first session I new it was the right choice.

Now some of the E46 fanboys may disagree, if so post your findings. Again this is from a racing perspective, not street. That I can't comment on the street manners because I could care less about them or the interior for that matter.

FYI on track the S65 in the 5500-8500 RPM range is a must drive. Low end torque who cares. I'm not down there anyway except when pulling out of the pits. Oh and the 445 diff is on the way, tell me that that is not going to be full BEAST mode.

Not dumping on the E46 at all, great platform and had fun with it. Time to move on to something better.

What these guys said.

I had an E46M for years and put 100k miles on it. Did the RB DIY for it. Tracked it in summer, drove it in winter.

Got an E92 ZCP while I owned the E46. The E92 weighs 100lb more, weighed back to back. It is way more powerful, has a V8 note to die for, much much (muuuuuuuch) better on track performance.

Eventually sold the E46M and got an E90 to keep it company.

The E46 did feel more raw, but also unnecessarily so. The suspension was at the same time crashy but then the car didn't handle that well.

When people tell me the E9X 'lacks torque' vs the E46 I just wonder what they're on. I've tracked both cars back to back with the same tires on the same track, multiple track days. There is such a massive difference in performance it is not even funny.

Obviously E46s can be fast, hell E36s can be fast as well, but if you're comparing two similarly modded cars the difference is quite large.

And to people who say 911: please sell your Ms and go buy your piece of shit Porsches. Go to Rennlist and leave us M owners in piece. It's pathetic to see how many people are desperately saving up their banana peels to one day buy a 'real car'.
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