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Old Sat, Jun-01-2013, 09:22:33 AM   #81
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Default Re: Track friendly brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank?

For the people that are swapping to/from track pads, do you make sure to use street pads with similar compound? Or just bed the pads in on each swap?

I think I've been cooking the current pads, and am considering running a dedicated track pads, but am concerned about having the transfer layer on the pad.

I dug through the parts the PO gave me and found some Axxis XBR pads, but from what I've seen they're not necessarily track pads.

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Old Sun, Jun-02-2013, 04:12:48 PM   #82
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Default Re: Track friendly brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank?

I guess I can answer my own thread, 3 years later!

I've had ST40s (E46 M3), ST60 (E90 M3) and now I run stock brakes on my E92 M3.

I'm the happiest with the stock setup and so is my wallet.

Truth of the matter is BBKs look nice but are kinda unnecessary.

So if anyone is wondering, the best track brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank is:

PFC 01 pads
Good fluid
Good lines

That's it.

As for swapping back and forth, I run OE on the street and they get along with the PFCs extremely well.

I swap back and forth all the time (each track weekend) and I literally just pop them in, drive off, apply the brakes a couple times and it's ready to go. It's like a match made in heaven. I don't remember the last time I had to bed my own brakes.

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Old Sun, Jun-02-2013, 04:49:47 PM   #83
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Default Re: Track friendly brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank?

^have you used the PFC 08's? I'm using them currently and was wondering how they compare to 01's.
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Old Tue, Jun-04-2013, 07:11:31 AM   #84
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Default Re: Track friendly brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank?

I'm still experimenting and have not gone to BBKs yet, if necessary. Kevin thanks for those stockers inputs as you've done tons of track days on various tracks. Per the pics below, I've experienced one of the non-optimum set ups for my E46 - stock rotors on Hawk HT-10s with stock backing plates. After 3-4 track days on these front pads I definitely see major overheating and cracks/stress lines. This is mostly from Auto Club Speedway lapping where T3 is notorious for heavy braking (135 to 5 mph!) and most temps are at least in the 80's. I've now removed part of the backing plate except around the ball joints and will do the DTC-60s next, which I've heard are easier on rotors. I'm also on stock size Stoptech/Powerslot slotted rotors now. We'll see.


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Old Wed, Jun-12-2013, 06:51:55 PM   #85
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Default Re: Track friendly brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank?

I ended up getting PFC 08s, mostly due to availability, definitely put a hurt to the wallet though.

I was only able to get the fronts in before heading to the track. The braking was much improved, though I was still getting some pedal fade later in sessions. I'll chalk that up to having the OEM-ish rear pads in currently.
Also, these things SCREAM when they're cold.
Which pad grease and backing plates (if any) do you guys use? Does anything quiet them down?
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For the people that are swapping to/from track pads, do you make sure to use street pads with similar compound? Or just bed the pads in on each swap?

I think I've been cooking the current pads, and am considering running a dedicated track pads, but am concerned about having the transfer layer on the pad.

I dug through the parts the PO gave me and found some Axxis XBR pads, but from what I've seen they're not necessarily track pads.
I run PFC Z-rated for the street. PFC-06 for the track. I'll switch to PFC-08's if I ever wear out the 06's. I have '08s for the E90M3 and they worked great.
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Old Fri, Jun-14-2013, 01:31:15 PM   #87
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Default Re: Track friendly brake upgrade that doesn't break the bank?

You may want to give Danny Puskar at Carbotech (www.CTBrakes.com) a call. I've found their XP series to not only work great (initial bite, modulation, etc.) but they are VERY easy on rotors.

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