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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 02:05:34 PM   #11
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

Well you can definitely have the power.
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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 02:56:16 PM   #12
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

For another perspective, I have a pristine, unmolested (save for a few little things) Hellrot '97 coupe that's absolutely gorgeous. It has 64k miles on it. I'm not planning to sell it anytime soon.

It's a very enjoyable car to drive and I love the body style.

The E46 will never have "classic" lines to me ...so no E46 will ever sway me away from the E36 just for that reason. Power, handling, features, all of it, I'll rank second to the E36 just because the E36 is the body style I prefer.

That said and my bias exposed, I would certainly consider that silver car if I were not also racing an E36. There are a couple of things I might not have done to the silver car's exterior but overall, I'd say it is still really attractive. What's attractive in addition to that are the mods it has and what it use it would get. The expense, time and headache of adding all of that to a car is not something I'd be interested in doing now (because of time) or paying to have done.

My Hellrot cannot be a daily driver, cannot go to the track (oil pump nut is not welded or tied up) and I cannot flog it as hard as the race car in my signature. In reality, of course, it could, but I don't want to do that to a pristine example with 64K on the clock. I still drive it and get some WOT time but it's not daily and will never see the track.

That silver car is not a low mileage example, is ready to run with well-tested modifications and I'd have no problem driving it daily and doing whatever else it is capable of. Sure, the silver car it is a lot of $ (but only a little more than I picked up my Hellrot for). Just understand you'll NEVER get that $ back out of the silver car.

Will I get my $ back out of the Hellrot? Maybe a little more in a few years, who knows, but I bet I'm really close if not dead even.

I say it's a matter of finding a pristine, low mileage example for near the same $ but needing to keep it pristine to keep it's value...or getting a car with all the mods for a stellar performer, taking on the issues that come with a modded car and driving it as you want and it deserves, knowing it will not retain the purchase cost.

Had it to do over again, I'd still do what I did, but that's me. I have the racecar to flog anyway. Define what interests you about having an E36 and that will help guide the purchase.
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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 03:19:39 PM   #13
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

Double E, very well said...thanks.

I love the classic style/lines of the E36 too. I'm an old schooler by heart.
I don't plan on tracking the car or doing any crazy modding to hit. I don't have time to do either anyways. I just want a nice clean E36 modded or not.

I've owned quite a few other BMW's and just recently bought the wife a new 4 series Gran Coupe M Sport. Very nice but still not my cup of tea. She loves it though, that's all that matters. :-)
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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 03:21:56 PM   #14
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

Here is a link to liilpa09 FS thread of left over parts from building this car and his Dakar:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=597941

You should be able to PM him. This car (both of his cars) appear to be well built, it would come down to your taste and $$. Hope this helps you get in touch with him.
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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 03:42:12 PM   #15
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Thanks Dgerry. I IM'd him.
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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 04:12:38 PM   #16
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

Oh...that FS thread. I did not realize it was the same. Thanks Dgerry.
Y'all probably saw my note in that thread as well.
Stand-up guy from my interaction with him.

Since you're not mod or high performance bent, I'd get an untouched '99 example of the cleanest, lowest mileage I could find and afford, in the color and interior combo I could live with. Priority on lowest mileage and '99, specifically and absolutely from a no salt-use area. Nothing less. Full documentation and window sticker are bonuses.
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

Your welcome, my interactions with the seller were very positive as well, would have like to have bought more..... Also, here is another very nice car that seems very sorted,

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...-CA-smog-legal

Its on another forum, so I hope I am not breaking any rules here. I feel that a S54 swapped E36 is about the best all around combo as far as balance, classic looks, wonderful engine (best sounding ever imho), and very good handling as well. Again, these are just my opinions. Hope you find what you are looking for and post up what ever you buy....
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Old Fri, Jun-01-2018, 04:38:21 PM   #18
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

The car in the OP is local to me. If you like the mods that are on it, it's extremely well built. I don't think you'd have much/anything in the way of surprises with it.

As for the e36 vs e46 talk, the e46 was very much the final iteration of "classic" BMW styling (well, at least if you think the e36 is in classic BMW styling-- an argument could be made that classic BMW styling died with the end of the shark nose). And, an S54/6MT e36 has made up most of the stock weight difference (165 lbs) between the e36 and e46. For the rest of the weight difference you get double the chassis stiffness, increased safety, better braking, the ability to fit more tire, nicer interior (that doesn't feel designed to be biodegradable), bigger back seat, headlights that are functional stock, less chassis failure points, an oil temp gauge, a telescoping steering wheel, seats that aren't terrible, etc.

None of which is to say you shouldn't go e36 if you prefer it. Just that some of the justifications in this thread seem... false.

Also, $25k doesn't really buy a low mileage e46 coupe anymore-- especially if you want 6mt and/or a color and/or not a grey interior.
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

Obioban, I was not stating any facts in my post, again just my opinion. I feel the same as you that the E46 is superior in many ways, but if the OP was looking for an E36 to begin with, then an S54 swapped one might be a good option. Enough of a Hijack, again lotus1 hope that you find the car that suits you needs/wants/$$ best....
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Default Re: Looking at a 97 E36, thoughts...?

And the guys looking for an e36, not an e46.

As I said, if you want an e36 and have $25k, put in a S54, 420G and 3.64 diff.

If you want an e46 then get an e46.
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