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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Tue, May-29-2018, 05:46:20 AM   #1
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Default Purchased my first Lemon...er M3!

Just purchased my very first M3 after owning a 328i for a short time. I got this thing knowing it had quite a few problems with body damage, but I wasn't aware of the extent until I got it up on a lift. I wanted something that wasn't super "clean" so I can have fun daily beater and not care too much if something happens because it's already been mistreated worse than what I could ever do to it.

It looks like there was previously an impact to the area in front of the rear passenger tire well or into the rear passenger door. The rear passenger door sits about a quarter inch too high and doesn't like to shut correctly, and the rocker panel under it is cracked. Undercarriage has pretty extensive warping. The seam that runs next to the jacking points is split open. Also one of the shock towers is cracked.

My main concern is being able to tell if this may have affected how square the body is, specifically in regards to alignment and stability at high speeds. I'd like to be able to make it a track beater in the distant future. If not, it's not a big deal. I can sell the engine alone and break even on what I paid for it (plus it came with $500 of brand new in box suspension parts).

I was curious about getting the damage repaired and I had two very different reactions from the two shops I went to. Shop A does a lot of import and enthusiast car work. They quoted 1200 to replace basically the entire lower part of the rocker panel / door frames. Undercarriage repair wasn't an option. Shop B does mostly Euro and primarily German cars. Owner was an older gentleman who straight up told me he wouldn't take my money because it wasn't worth fixing, since the previous owner had the repairs done in a very shitty way.

Here's some questions I have for you all:

1.) If the car can be aligned is that "good enough" to start trying to track the car with?

2.) Is there a direct way to measure how square the suspension is, even if that means going to a shop?

3.) If you had this car what would you do with it?


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(also in case you're wondering I took the hood off because it was a shitty aftermarket carbon fiber hood that looked ugly and I'm trying to source an OE one)
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Old Tue, May-29-2018, 08:30:55 AM   #2
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1. No. Can be bent and still aligned. If there's chassis/rail damage then track use will exacerbate wear and could result in catastrophic failure.

2. Suspension? Yes, take it to an alignment shop. Chassis? Also yes but probably at a specialist rather than a shop that only has alignment kit.

3. Depends on above. Chassis can be straightened after all and if you're thinking of putting a cage in it (after any straightening) then it'll be well safe.
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Old Tue, May-29-2018, 05:07:44 PM   #3
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That's a weird type of impact. I wonder if it actually fell on top of something (like from a lift or it was "jumped" over something) to cause that.

In any case the car in my sig picture has been smacked front, back & sides plenty. It tracks straight and lines up nice and true. Of course it is fully caged and rear shock towers have welded reinforcement plates.

As a track car, I think the E36 is strong enough to sustain that kind of abuse from the factory and still be fine unless they have been eaten up by rust.
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Old Tue, May-29-2018, 05:36:41 PM   #4
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1. No. Can be bent and still aligned. If there's chassis/rail damage then track use will exacerbate wear and could result in catastrophic failure.

2. Suspension? Yes, take it to an alignment shop. Chassis? Also yes but probably at a specialist rather than a shop that only has alignment kit.

3. Depends on above. Chassis can be straightened after all and if you're thinking of putting a cage in it (after any straightening) then it'll be well safe.
Good advice. I'm going to see about taking it to an alignment specialist.

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That's a weird type of impact. I wonder if it actually fell on top of something (like from a lift or it was "jumped" over something) to cause that.

In any case the car in my sig picture has been smacked front, back & sides plenty. It tracks straight and lines up nice and true. Of course it is fully caged and rear shock towers have welded reinforcement plates.

As a track car, I think the E36 is strong enough to sustain that kind of abuse from the factory and still be fine unless they have been eaten up by rust.
That's actually a good point... two of the rims were extremely ****ed up and I'm wondering if it was run over a curb or something. At first when I was doing the cursory inspection to buy it, I thought maybe it had been repeatedly jacked up wrong by one of the previous owners as the damage was around the jacking area on one side.

The car seems to drive pretty straight and doesn't have any noticeable issues from behind the wheel (other than worn suspension that needs replacing).
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That think looks like it mounted a curb for sure. If it cracked the shock tower then it hit HARD. Personally I would get the alignment checked first. That will tell you how F’ed it is and if it’ll ever be able to drive straight. My first instinct would be to part it out personally though. Cut losses and run.
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That think looks like it mounted a curb for sure. If it cracked the shock tower then it hit HARD. Personally I would get the alignment checked first. That will tell you how Fed it is and if itll ever be able to drive straight. My first instinct would be to part it out personally though. Cut losses and run.
I should have clarified, the cracked tower is on the driver's side, impact was on the passenger side. They could have been related, however I sort of doubt it.
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Yikes. Buy a clean e36 and just swap all the running gear over. The only way to fix this car right is to get it on a frame machine.
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Yea I would not track this chassis. Not worth the money to fix it properly IMO. Sounds like it was dirt cheap, so that's good at least lol.
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Yeah I would most definitely listen to everyone and cut your losses now. Looks like one of the tasteless PO's had the moldings shaved after one of the accidents.
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I do not fully agree with the comments saying to start over. Track cars get messed up and I have seen quite a few E36s with significant frame damage resurrected from the dead and be quite competitive.

The main issue is that you do not have enough information. Go to a good alignment shop and see what they have to do to get it to track straight. If your caster and toe-in are way off side to side then probably not worth it. To me, spend the $100-200 to do this step and go from there.

Rear shock towers are relatively easy to fix, depending on the extent of the damage (I welded in AKG reinforcement plates which was not that difficult to do).

For the record, my "pristine never wrecked" E36 could never be aligned properly, ultimately ending up in a freak accident on track. My replacement "junker" with cracked shocked towers is an EPIC car... straight as an arrow. It has all of the main components out of the pristine car. It drives 100000x better than the original car. Just spend the 1-2 hours and get the alignment done. You'll be able to make an informed decision. Compared to the original car, it is a bit "tatty" and yet it eats other cars for lunch on track.
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