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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Mon, Jul-15-2013, 11:00:31 PM   #31
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So you put a 255 on a 8" wheel? Any chance you have a pic from the rear?
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So you put a 255 on a 8" wheel? Any chance you have a pic from the rear?
Sorry corrected, 18x8.5.

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Old Tue, Jul-16-2013, 04:49:28 AM   #33
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Default Re: ► APEX | E36 M3 Wide Wheel & Tire Fitment Guide

Pictures:


Wheels: (Diameter/Width/Offset)

ARC-8s 17x8.5 ET40 square

Tires:

BFG Rivals 245/40/17 square

Suspension:

- Spacers - MS 5mm front only
- Struts - Bilstein Sport
- Camber Plates - Top hat swap + a couple of washers on the passenger side to even out the camber between left and right sides

Alignment:

Front:
-3.25* camber in the front with 1/16 toe out

Rear:
-1.75* camber and 3/32 toe in

Advice:

Bilstein Sport Struts are fatties - as are the BFG Rivals. I really didn't want to run spacers and most 245s should clear the fronts but this set up was rubbing against the struts. The Macht Schnell 5mm spacers took care of the rubbing and there's no rubbing on the outer fenders either.
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Old Tue, Jul-16-2013, 11:58:27 PM   #34
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I'm considering a 1994 E36 M3 coupe, Japanese imported, Euro Spec.

It is completely stock, save for what looks like Racing Dynamics 5 spoke 18" with very stretched 225/40 18 Dunlops.

I'd like to know which Apex ARC-8 set-up in 17 x ?.? (and the appropriate tire size) would be best for a completely stock E36 M3. I'd like a SQUARE set-up please.

I would be primarily using it for a DD, plus an auto-cross car for my wife. The DD drive is only ~7 miles round trip, I have an X5/335xi for terribely rain days, so tread life is not a concern at all, nor is great wet performance. Dry performance is the key.

I run Michelin Cup tires on my E92 M3, and Michelin PSS's on my wife's 335xi but I don't want to be at either end of that spectrum. Tread wear rating would ideally be 140 and above to keep the car in "street" class in our local auto cross club.


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AC Schitzner rims 18x8.5 with 43mm offset 225/40/18 + 255/35/18.

Measured tonight and I have 5/8" room from rim lip to fender lip to space out on front and just a hair more on rear. Thinking about getting 12mm spacers.

Side shots and alignment specs. To the naked eye it seems the front is toed out but the alignment measures positive so?

I read the best alignment is 0.0 toe or toed out a little. Not sure if I should toe the front out more to like 0.02 or so?




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I'm considering a 1994 E36 M3 coupe, Japanese imported, Euro Spec.

It is completely stock, save for what looks like Racing Dynamics 5 spoke 18" with very stretched 225/40 18 Dunlops.

I'd like to know which Apex ARC-8 set-up in 17 x ?.? (and the appropriate tire size) would be best for a completely stock E36 M3. I'd like a SQUARE set-up please.

I would be primarily using it for a DD, plus an auto-cross car for my wife. The DD drive is only ~7 miles round trip, I have an X5/335xi for terribely rain days, so tread life is not a concern at all, nor is great wet performance. Dry performance is the key.

I run Michelin Cup tires on my E92 M3, and Michelin PSS's on my wife's 335xi but I don't want to be at either end of that spectrum. Tread wear rating would ideally be 140 and above to keep the car in "street" class in our local auto cross club.


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I've been running the Direzza ZIIs on my E90 and Rivals on my E36. I just got my E36 2 weeks ago so I haven't had time to track or autox it on the Rivals yet but on my favorite canyon road, it's an amazing tire. I don't think you can go wrong with either one as a short commute DD / autox / HPDE tire.

See my post above on my E36 set up. If you're not running fatty Bilstein struts, you won't have to run a 5mm spacer up front like I did.

Post pics when you get it!
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I've been running the Direzza ZIIs on my E90 and Rivals on my E36. I just got my E36 2 weeks ago so I haven't had time to track or autox it on the Rivals yet but on my favorite canyon road, it's an amazing tire. I don't think you can go wrong with either one as a short commute DD / autox / HPDE tire.

See my post above on my E36 set up. If you're not running fatty Bilstein struts, you won't have to run a 5mm spacer up front like I did.

Post pics when you get it!

Thanks!!

I'll keep you guys posted if I pull the trigger.
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Thanks for contributing Kasé Zomé & Racerbox77!

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I'm considering a 1994 E36 M3 coupe, Japanese imported, Euro Spec.

It is completely stock, save for what looks like Racing Dynamics 5 spoke 18" with very stretched 225/40 18 Dunlops.

I'd like to know which Apex ARC-8 set-up in 17 x ?.? (and the appropriate tire size) would be best for a completely stock E36 M3. I'd like a SQUARE set-up please.

I would be primarily using it for a DD, plus an auto-cross car for my wife. The DD drive is only ~7 miles round trip, I have an X5/335xi for terribely rain days, so tread life is not a concern at all, nor is great wet performance. Dry performance is the key.

I run Michelin Cup tires on my E92 M3, and Michelin PSS's on my wife's 335xi but I don't want to be at either end of that spectrum. Tread wear rating would ideally be 140 and above to keep the car in "street" class in our local auto cross club.


Thanks!
For a stock e36 M3, you can go with the 17x8.5" ET40 all around, or 17x9.0" ET42 squared with 245/40/17 street tires with 12mm spacers in the front for the wheels and tires to clear the strut tube. Both of these setups are quite common for the e36 M3, but the 17x9.0" ET42 with a 12mm spacer in front is slightly more popular due to the ability to move to a 255/40/17 R-compound in the future if you'd like to, when you have camber plates and suspension bits to dial in the necessary camber to have the wheels and tires clear the front fenders, along with rolling the rear fenders for clearance with that tire. Feel free to give us a call if you have any additional questions regarding any specifics!
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Thanks for contributing Kasé Zomé & Racerbox77!



For a stock e36 M3, you can go with the 17x8.5" ET40 all around, or 17x9.0" ET42 squared with 245/40/17 street tires with 12mm spacers in the front for the wheels and tires to clear the strut tube. Both of these setups are quite common for the e36 M3, but the 17x9.0" ET42 with a 12mm spacer in front is slightly more popular due to the ability to move to a 255/40/17 R-compound in the future if you'd like to, when you have camber plates and suspension bits to dial in the necessary camber to have the wheels and tires clear the front fenders, along with rolling the rear fenders for clearance with that tire. Feel free to give

us a call if you have any additional questions regarding any specifics!

Excellent info. Thanks so much.
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AC Schitzner rims 18x8.5 with 43mm offset 225/40/18 + 255/35/18.

Measured tonight and I have 5/8" room from rim lip to fender lip to space out on front and just a hair more on rear. Thinking about getting 12mm spacers.

Side shots and alignment specs. To the naked eye it seems the front is toed out but the alignment measures positive so?

I read the best alignment is 0.0 toe or toed out a little. Not sure if I should toe the front out more to like 0.02 or so?




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UPDATE -

After my alignment the car handled noticeably different, bad different. Tons of understeer and just felt strange in general although it drove straight.

Went back for an alignment check and found rear passenger toe was way in at 0.32 and driver toe out - 0.07 and front toe was off too. Seems the tech didn't tighten the bolts enough.

So while he was redoing it I had him do different specs

Front-
Total toe= 0.04
Caster= 6.5 (all it would go)
Camber = -2.5

Rear-
Total toe= 0.18
Camber = -1.5

Car goes straight and handles great.

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