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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Mon, Apr-16-2018, 04:40:12 PM   #11
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Default Re: E36 man with an e46 ?

E46 M3 has all the nice looks and more updated, modern amenities, S54 is an amazing engine.

E36 M3 is more raw, lighter, a nimbler feeling in fast transitions.

An E36 M3 with an S54 is a monster though
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E46 M3 has all the nice looks and more updated, modern amenities, S54 is an amazing engine.

E36 M3 is more raw, lighter, a nimbler feeling in fast transitions.

An E36 M3 with an S54 is a monster though
I don't agree the e36 is more raw-- e46 rides stiffer, idles worse, makes more mechanical noises (M clunk, solid lifter tapping). If you compare automatic transmissions, no question which is more raw .

I think people just think the e36 is more raw because the interior is worse.

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Motion ratios are near as makes no difference the same between the e36 and e46
e36: 100 in/lb front, 240 in/lb rear
E46: 143 lbs/inch front, 345 - 685 lbs/inch rear (progressive)

The e46 suspension is significantly stiffer, stock vs stock.
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I would try to own both. The e36 valuation is continuing to rise and selling it may put you in a position of not being able to find a decent example at a reasonable price back- should you ever have seller's remorse, and you likely will at some point...

But that aside, you will love the e46 for the fact that its capabilities and amenities are at the heels of today's modern performance touring coupes, but yet still reminiscent of its vintage analog roots, and at a bargain price point to boot!

That said, with your access to great mountain twisties, all of the power of the e46 is somewhat negated by its bulkiness, softness and roll in unmodified form. The e36 has more precise, "on rails" type handling and on a mountain twisty, I'd probably always choose a slow car that can be pushed hard and fast all of the time.
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I would try to own both. The e36 valuation is continuing to rise and selling it may put you in a position of not being able to find a decent example at a reasonable price back- should you ever have seller's remorse, and you likely will at some point...

But that aside, you will love the e46 for the fact that its capabilities and amenities are at the heels of today's modern performance touring coupes, but yet still reminiscent of its vintage analog roots, and at a bargain price point to boot!

That said, with your access to great mountain twisties, all of the power of the e46 is somewhat negated by its bulkiness, softness and roll in unmodified form. The e36 has more precise, "on rails" type handling and on a mountain twisty, I'd probably always choose a slow car that can be pushed hard and fast all of the time.
Both is the best answer, for sure. If you have remorse, it's going to be quite difficult to get back into a nice one. They spent a bunch of years in the <$10,000 range, which really hurt the level of care and upkeep they received.

I don't agree at all that you can't stretch the legs of the s54 on mountain roads. Well, maybe if it's something twitchy like the tail of the dragon, but most mountain roads are not like that.

And, as above, the e46 is significantly stiffer than the e36 stock vs stock (since you referred to it as soft)-- both numerically, and from the driver's seat.
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E46 all the way.

I love the E36. It's the chassis that got me into BMWs. Had a couple, including one that I built with S54 and 6MT (a swap which BTW negates a lot of the weight advantage).

The E46 is just a superior car in all aspects. Stiffer chassis, can fit much wider tires, much less fuel starvation stock for stock, interior not made out of cardboard.

The E46 is also much safer. The E36 has A pillars that collapse and fold in roll over events and has generally terrible crash test results (a single star out of 5 at the Euro NCAP).
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If we're going purely off the argument of which is "superior," we should all sell our E46s and move on to E92s and F80s.
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Default Re: E36 man with an e46 ?

This is why I put the question in a forum. Thanks for all the input.
I am Definitely not selling my e36. I already have sellers remorse for selling my e30 m3. Iím not going to make that mistake again.

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Lolol

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If we're going purely off the argument of which is "superior," we should all sell our E46s and move on to E92s and F80s.
Or just jump to the e60 m5.
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Zero question - the 46M is a way more exciting and badass car. Don't get me wrong - I love the 36M - it's the better handling car subjectively but the 46 is just the much more complete package. It's so much more stout in all ways, feels very next level. Very frenzied and on its toes while the 36 is super mellow and relaxed, relatively. It's a car that is nearly perfect bone stock.

Let's put it this way - I still lust after the 46M and have little desire for a 36 other than nastalgia. I know that it would not satisfy me at this point. The 46 is a huge step up while the step from it to the next two gens are minor, it's that good.

Oh, and it's by no means just the motor. I've driven a correctly swapped S54 36M and vastly prefer the 46M.
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