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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Wed, Jun-03-2015, 01:47:27 PM   #631
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Default Re: Rear view mirror question...

Does it do this to your interior?

The other day it looked like this:

Then I noticed all these stain spots. I don't see the yellow in the mirror anymore and no visible leak spots but how did this get out? I tried cleaning the leather but it seems stained?
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Old Sun, Jul-19-2015, 11:45:54 AM   #632
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Just for the record, I see every video of mirror removal using the twist base method.

It seems to work fine, but I never do this and go by BMW's official documentation. The only time you use the set at 45° angle and twist, is for putting the mirror on its mount.

Removal: you hit the underside if the mirror with a quick strike with the ball of your hand. So straight towards the windshield.

If you look at the 3 clamps, this makes perfect sense. With this method, you release the rear clip, and thus the whole mirror. By twisting it off, you can break this rear clip and render your mirror useless.

p.s. never knew about this problem. Seems to be limited to the oval E46 M3 mirror, which once was a popular retrofit for other/older models. I'm glad I never went through with it.

In the end I didn't fancy the oval shape. Did like the small flat led, while other mirrors had a big clownnose, but when the trapezoid shaped mirrors came with the flat led and compass, I went with that instead.

Funny thing, I have never seen a topic about this on any Euro forum.
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Old Sun, Jul-19-2015, 02:44:50 PM   #633
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Default Re: Rear view mirror question...

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Just for the record, I see every video of mirror removal using the twist base method.

It seems to work fine, but I never do this and go by BMW's official documentation. The only time you use the set at 45° angle and twist, is for putting the mirror on its mount.

Removal: you hit the underside if the mirror with a quick strike with the ball of your hand. So straight towards the windshield.

If you look at the 3 clamps, this makes perfect sense. With this method, you release the rear clip, and thus the whole mirror. By twisting it off, you can break this rear clip and render your mirror useless.

p.s. never knew about this problem. Seems to be limited to the oval E46 M3 mirror, which once was a popular retrofit for other/older models. I'm glad I never went through with it.

In the end I didn't fancy the oval shape. Did like the small flat led, while other mirrors had a big clownnose, but when the trapezoid shaped mirrors came with the flat led and compass, I went with that instead.

Funny thing, I have never seen a topic about this on any Euro forum.
Never heard about that method, I would be more weary to break something just hitting it towards the windshield that rotating it.

The oval mirror (at least in North America) came on cars with no Premium Package or BMW assist, but had an issue with the liquid leaking. Some people that prefer the oval just get it fixed, and others just switch for a rectangular mirror.
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Default Re: Rear view mirror question...

That's it, most people don't know, hence all incorrect (strictly taken) DIY.

I explained it makes sense if you think about it for a moment and see how the clamps grab the hexagon on the windshield.

I for sure don't want my base to break, so it's twisting off that's not something I'd risk.
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Old Mon, Jul-20-2015, 03:58:03 AM   #635
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I DIY 'd this job was pretty straight forward and considering I dont drive the car at night not having the dimming feature anymore is not really a big deal.
There are a few DIY's online if you just google it, Cant even tell the difference during the day except that there is no bubble like before in the dimming fluid.
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Default Re: Rear view mirror question...

FWIW - I have removed close to 2 dozen mirrors on various cars (1995 - 2012) by twisting them. ALL removals have been successful, with no issues.

I would never attempt removal by hitting the mirror, underside or elsewhere. I understand what M-Parallel is saying, but it would be far more risky than twisting the mirror. Getting the right force on a hit without too much is something I would not want to work out by trial and error. The only thing to watch for when twisting the mirror is ensuring that the motion is parallel to the windshield - something that is easily visible and correctable during a slow twist motion.

Additionally - there is a fairly short wiring harness that could possibly be yanked and/or misdirect the mirror's trajectory.

My experiences with several BMW people have all involved the twist process.

Each to his own successes. But if you hit your mirror ... be very careful!!

And ... the leaking issue can occur with all BMW mirrors from ~2000 through mid-1990's. Z8, Z3, E46, E39, and others. Oval, rectangular, etc.
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Default Re: Rear view mirror question...

It takes a quick strike, not a Mike Tyson jaw jab. It then rotatescaround the base, not doing anything to the wiring.

With my left hand I grab the base and is the cushion between mirror and windshield. Then I tilt it down so my strike doesn't first tilt just the glass and it comes off its base quickly and easily.

Do of course use your own prefered method, but not recommanding the official instructions is a bit too much.
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Default Re: Rear view mirror question...

Just in case someone thinks I'm pulling a fast one, I found an online version of the BMW TIS document for mirror removal.

It even explicitly says not to twist it off.

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