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Old Fri, May-17-2019, 12:09:42 AM   #151
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what exactly is compelling or rational about comparing a woman deciding whether or not to have an abortion to a mass murderer?
Human beings are dying needlessly in both scenarios. I didn't think it needed an explanation, my apologies.
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Old Fri, May-17-2019, 12:47:28 AM   #152
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You get to decide and define what constitutes “need,” naturally
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I would argue I'm not the decision maker here.
I'm defining it as needless (atheist over here, not Bible thumping).

Do you have a compelling argument for defining it otherwise?
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I would argue I'm not the decision maker here.
I'm defining it as needless (atheist over here, not Bible thumping).

Do you have a compelling argument for defining it otherwise?

The person that will have to physically, emotionally, and financially bear the 9 months of pregnancy, with the attendant bodily, social and fiscal risks, as well as the vast burden of support over the next 18 years minimum, likely beyond, should be the one making the decision as to the fate of the pregnancy. Rather than some random wealthy legislator who is deciding civil law through a secular lens without any connection to or investment in the persons actually affected by the beliefs set forth in their fairytale book of choice.
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The Onion on point:

Abused 12-Year-Old Alabama Girl Doesn’t Think She Can Handle Being A Mom On Top Of Everything Else

Woman Walking Alone At Night Picks Up Pace After Spotting Truck Full Of Alabama Lawmakers Slowly Following Her


And this gem from AL Sen. Clyde Chambliss: “I’m not trained medically so I don’t know the proper medical terminology and timelines. But from what I’ve read, what I’ve been told, there’s some period of time before you can know a woman is pregnant.”
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Edit: Rak said it best
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The person that will have to physically, emotionally, and financially bear the 9 months of pregnancy, with the attendant bodily, social and fiscal risks, as well as the vast burden of support over the next 18 years minimum, likely beyond, should be the one making the decision as to the fate of the pregnancy. Rather than some random wealthy legislator who is deciding civil law through a secular lens without any connection to or investment in the persons actually affected by the beliefs set forth in their fairytale book of choice.
I can appreciate & understand your point of view on this. As a father, I understand the incredible sacrifices necessary to bring a human into this world. Raising my kids is easily the most challenging and most rewarding endeavor I've experienced & I would argue my wife easily bears the Lion's share of the responsibility (I'm sure many of you would say the same). My heart goes out to any woman in a position to have to make this life or death decision to abort.

I suppose where we differ is, you seem to indicate because it's extraordinarily difficult to carry & deliver, (in your words: emotionally, socially?, physically, financially & fiscally??) the woman has the right to decide to end that life rather than either have the child and raise him or her or give him or her to a loving family waiting to adopt. I should reconsider my stance, because I suppose although I agree she may have the right, I don't see it as a need. In other words, IMO it's a needless death. Similarly, she may have the right & the ability to cut off her right arm, but I would also consider this a needless loss.

I suppose we could debate at what specific point in time the "bundle of cells" is officially a human life, but I'd prefer to acquiesce & assume it isn't until after most abortions typically take place. I think we can agree, if the woman does nothing to harm those cells, eventually a human being will be born. And IMO, it is cruel and unnecessary to intervene when there are alternatives.
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although I agree she may have the right, I don't see it as a need. In other words, IMO it's a needless death.
bringing a needless life into the world is worse imo
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bringing a needless life into the world is worse imo
I'm clear where you are coming from now.
Thanks for expanding on your philosophy.
We'll have to disagree on this one.
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If the thing resembling a human cannot survive outside of the womb in the absence of medical intervention, it gets no rights. Giving it more rights than the fully developed human who has to support it – you’re an idiot.
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