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Old Tue, Oct-09-2018, 09:14:17 PM   #11
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Run street pads on the street! Will quadruple your rotor life.
I drive I-95 in Fort Lauderdale to Miami commute. On occasions (at least 5 times over the years), I am convinced that my racing pads saved my life three times and my car at least 8-10 times. I run sticky 265/35-18 up front and can really put the racing pads to good use. I am very serious about the numbers. Almost everyone I know with lesser brakes have crashed due to complete blind siding by idiots who should not be allowed to drive.

My OEM Brembo floating rotors are from 2009. The car sat for some years. But I did get over 20K miles out them using race pads in the street and on the track. I tried Ceramics too. I never wore out any of OEM pads or the ceramics. One day I just left the race pads in after a track session in Miami and never looked back.

The front right still has some life. LF is shot. The rears are fine. Pads are Cobalt Friction XR racing pads. Supposed to NOT be brutal to rotors. I would have to agree. Even if they were, I would still run them. Most of my wear was brutalizing my brakes and rotors on the track. I have zero sessions planned for the next year.

Besides, when I had plenty $$ I already bought a new front and rear brake pad set for around $900. Endless from Japan. Sitting in a box on the shelf for years. I actually wish I had a new set of Cobalt Friction. They really served me well. Anyways, the Endless is what I got.

You can not believe the sky high insurance costs here because all of the drugged up, liquored up, and plain crazy drivers we have in my area.

The other day I looked up to see the looming rear end of an SUV in my vision that had come to a complete stop. Some IDIOT had used silly string or something to "secure" THREE mattresses to his roof. They were scattered over three lanes. At night.

Did I stop in time? Darn right, I did. Full on panic stop. Inches to spare. I have never been in a harder stopping car. Plenty faster, but none that stop as well.

When I move to South Jordon Utah in a few years, heck I will put low dust CERAMICS back on my fronts!

Like you have said many times: "Every body has different needs".
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Just got off the phone with Stop Tech. They confirmed that these rotors will fit and that they are not Centric branded as in the Amazon link. They are Stop Techs. The 99 suffix means they come with all mounting hardware.
Going to order these next pay period.




$317.90 including shipping and mounting hardware
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I drive I-95 in Fort Lauderdale to Miami commute. On occasions (at least 5 times over the years), I am convinced that my racing pads saved my life three times and my car at least 8-10 times. I run sticky 265/35-18 up front and can really put the racing pads to good use. I am very serious about the numbers. Almost everyone I know with lesser brakes have crashed due to complete blind siding by idiots who should not be allowed to drive.

My OEM Brembo floating rotors are from 2009. The car sat for some years. But I did get over 20K miles out them using race pads in the street and on the track. I tried Ceramics too. I never wore out any of OEM pads or the ceramics. One day I just left the race pads in after a track session in Miami and never looked back.

The front right still has some life. LF is shot. The rears are fine. Pads are Cobalt Friction XR racing pads. Supposed to NOT be brutal to rotors. I would have to agree. Even if they were, I would still run them. Most of my wear was brutalizing my brakes and rotors on the track. I have zero sessions planned for the next year.

Besides, when I had plenty $$ I already bought a new front and rear brake pad set for around $900. Endless from Japan. Sitting in a box on the shelf for years. I actually wish I had a new set of Cobalt Friction. They really served me well. Anyways, the Endless is what I got.

You can not believe the sky high insurance costs here because all of the drugged up, liquored up, and plain crazy drivers we have in my area.

The other day I looked up to see the looming rear end of an SUV in my vision that had come to a complete stop. Some IDIOT had used silly string or something to "secure" THREE mattresses to his roof. They were scattered over three lanes. At night.

Did I stop in time? Darn right, I did. Full on panic stop. Inches to spare. I have never been in a harder stopping car. Plenty faster, but none that stop as well.

When I move to South Jordon Utah in a few years, heck I will put low dust CERAMICS back on my fronts!

Like you have said many times: "Every body has different needs".
Race pads don’t stop faster. Most brake worse at street temperatures.
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Old Tue, Oct-09-2018, 10:19:41 PM   #14
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Race pads don’t stop faster. Most brake worse at street temperatures.
I have heard that too.
But...
My Cobalt Friction pads do. Significantly. I tried my stock pads for session one on the track. Then as soon as they were cool switched to the Cobalt Friction for the rest of the day. Like night and day.

I tried a set of ceramic pads on the track and only did a few laps before I had to pit and jerk them out. That was in 2010. The Cobalts have been in there permanently ever since.

Plus, they only take two stops to warm up. I really dont have to concern my self when they are cold since they heat up so freaking fast... and stay there. My I know where my first two cold stops are and I just push 20% harder. After that, they bite like crazy.
I would not hesitate to buy another set. I run XR-1's in the front and XR-3's in the fonts are about shot and the rears have some life left.

They used to have an outlet just a few miles from me here in Fort Laudedale.

That being said, I may have buyers remorse on the Endless Pads. I will post my experiences with them.

Change subject:
The Stop Tech guy mumbled something about a "lip" on my Brembo top hat (somewhere) that I would have to grind off. I think he is mistaken. All accounts are that the Stop Tech Areo Rotors (correct term is "friction rings") will drop right on Brembo top hats. Right?

I have to go dig up my small torque wrench. Something like only 72inch lbs(6 ft lbs) for the fasteners from ST.
Brembo hardware is fancier and only uses 62 inch lbs separate torques AIR.

Interesting that Brembo calls for 262 Red Hi Strength Loctite with their hardware and ST supplies a weaker medium strength self wicking thread locker
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i get about 40k out of my stoptech rings with Textar pads...
Are you running the 993 textars? Guessing no pad deposits like I have with the ST sports.
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I have heard that too.
But...
My Cobalt Friction pads do. Significantly. I tried my stock pads for session one on the track. Then as soon as they were cool switched to the Cobalt Friction for the rest of the day. Like night and day.

I tried a set of ceramic pads on the track and only did a few laps before I had to pit and jerk them out. That was in 2010. The Cobalts have been in there permanently ever since.

Plus, they only take two stops to warm up. I really dont have to concern my self when they are cold since they heat up so freaking fast... and stay there. My I know where my first two cold stops are and I just push 20% harder. After that, they bite like crazy.
I would not hesitate to buy another set. I run XR-1's in the front and XR-3's in the fonts are about shot and the rears have some life left.

They used to have an outlet just a few miles from me here in Fort Laudedale.

That being said, I may have buyers remorse on the Endless Pads. I will post my experiences with them.

Change subject:
The Stop Tech guy mumbled something about a "lip" on my Brembo top hat (somewhere) that I would have to grind off. I think he is mistaken. All accounts are that the Stop Tech Areo Rotors (correct term is "friction rings") will drop right on Brembo top hats. Right?

I have to go dig up my small torque wrench. Something like only 72inch lbs(6 ft lbs) for the fasteners from ST.
Brembo hardware is fancier and only uses 62 inch lbs separate torques AIR.

Interesting that Brembo calls for 262 Red Hi Strength Loctite with their hardware and ST supplies a weaker medium strength self wicking thread locker
The grinding off (machining) is only required for the rears.
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...The other day I looked up to see the looming rear end of an SUV in my vision that had come to a complete stop....
Looked up huh? Looked up from your crotch phone? Whatever.
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The grinding off (machining) is only required for the rears.
Ah! Thank you.
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Looked up huh? Looked up from your crotch phone? Whatever.
Nope. Re arranging my side arm in my drop leg holster. (I work for my job armed, BTW). Extremely rare that it needs any adjusting. Quick 2 second glance. I rarely even play music or mess with my AVIC when I am on !-95. Almost never. I need to concentrate. You just never know. Like that night with the mattresses. I was able to stop. I had feet, not inches. I may have exaggerated.

There have been plenty of other times I needed my Brembos. Mostly being cut off. I try and anticipate things like that, but I have a 50 mile round trip commute on some of the nastiest section of I-95. I do my best. I have done pretty well over the last 18 months, I have say.

I ALWAYS take the express lane night or day, even Sundays. I find much much better drivers there. Often I am all by myself.
This mattress thing happened in the first mile of my commute going South to Miami.
I have to travel about 2 miles with the idiots before I can access the express lane. Costs me $45 a month. The safety it gives me is priceless.

In 18 months I have never seen one person pulled over or any speed traps in the express lane that I use. It is as close to the Autobahn as you can get. An uncrowded Autobahn. Some Cars routinely cruise by at 90-100. Mostly other BMWs LOL.

I cant recall even one jerk who ever bothered me in the express lanes. It is a different world.

Sadly, I have to get out of the Express Lanes at Golden Gate Exchange and play defensive driving for the last 10 miles or so.

Hope this helps. Cheers!

PS: I have a Lexus SC300 that came with LOUSY brakes. I immediately bought an adapter that allows a 6 pot caliper from any 2005 ZO6 Corvette to bolt right up.
$550 for new calipers, $200 for AC Delco pads, $200 for a two Lexus ISF 14" rotor, and $140 for two adapters. Really does stop well. I have 245/40/18's up front. Had them since 2010. Last year I bought new AC Delco pads for $188. and had both rotors turned PERFECTLY while I waited! Plenty of meat left on the rotors.

Around here braking is much much more important than the ability to beat anybody in a straight line. Did NOT turbo the Lexus or the M3. NA is fine.
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I have heard that too.
But...
My Cobalt Friction pads do. Significantly. I tried my stock pads for session one on the track. Then as soon as they were cool switched to the Cobalt Friction for the rest of the day. Like night and day.

I tried a set of ceramic pads on the track and only did a few laps before I had to pit and jerk them out. That was in 2010. The Cobalts have been in there permanently ever since.

Plus, they only take two stops to warm up. I really dont have to concern my self when they are cold since they heat up so freaking fast... and stay there. My I know where my first two cold stops are and I just push 20% harder. After that, they bite like crazy.
I would not hesitate to buy another set. I run XR-1's in the front and XR-3's in the fonts are about shot and the rears have some life left.

They used to have an outlet just a few miles from me here in Fort Laudedale.

That being said, I may have buyers remorse on the Endless Pads. I will post my experiences with them.

Change subject:
The Stop Tech guy mumbled something about a "lip" on my Brembo top hat (somewhere) that I would have to grind off. I think he is mistaken. All accounts are that the Stop Tech Areo Rotors (correct term is "friction rings") will drop right on Brembo top hats. Right?

I have to go dig up my small torque wrench. Something like only 72inch lbs(6 ft lbs) for the fasteners from ST.
Brembo hardware is fancier and only uses 62 inch lbs separate torques AIR.

Interesting that Brembo calls for 262 Red Hi Strength Loctite with their hardware and ST supplies a weaker medium strength self wicking thread locker
Yes, track pads are better on track.

Street pads (non low dust street pads) are better on the street-- both in terms of stopping distances and, by a huge margin, rotor wear.

For context, I get ~60,000 miles out of my brembo rotors-- with a ton of tracking.

This isn't hearsay-- it's how brake pads work. They're designed optimally work within a temperature windows. Track pads on the street will not be in that window. Street pads on track will not be in that window. There are no pads that do both well.

If your experience from the above has differed, I suspect you're on low dust street pads (which all suck). Try the Brembo high performance street pads-- a completely awesome pad.
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