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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 06:16:02 AM   #41
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Haha, I gladly admit that I was wrong, but I'm also not entirely convinced it's exactly the way it is either. Also, it's not really an issue whether it has that ability or not, since you can either leave the actuator in and keep the rear stability control, or delete the actuator with a resistor and "turn off" the whole system.
If your ASC light is on, the system is disabled. This occurs after the TB is removed, appart of what you do with the actuator.

This means no rear stability, no ignition retard, nothing. You can't have partial asc - it's all or none.

The actuator/resistor mod only concerns the ABS function, nothing more.
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Agree 100%

If you're after a minimalist engine bay maybe, and it makes getting to some of the heater valves and idle air valve easier. i left mine in though!
its held there by one bolt. Not hard to take out if you need more access

I drove my car all winter and had not one single abs issue. trust me it works.
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 06:16:35 AM   #43
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The resistance in the actuator changes as it actuates, but if there is a resistor there instead of an actuator, the resistance doesn't change. It's not fooling the system into thinking that there is a functioning actuator there, it's fooling the system into thinking that the actuator is nonfunctional.
I was under the impression that the resistor mod does not yield an ASC light. If that's the case, it doesn't support the notion that the ASC computer sees a fault in the system and thinks the actuator is non-functional. If that were the case, it would disable the system...ABS and all. I feel like there's a reason why they disable both together. ABS should be able to function completely on its own. It's a safety issue to disable it just because the ASC system has an issue. Why would they do that if it wasn't imperative that both systems work together, or don't work at all?

Not trying to be a pain in the ***. I'd love for that resistor method to be foolproof. I just like to think **** through before I do it. Ya know.
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 06:17:53 AM   #44
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Yet, if no one here has reported any ill effects related to ignition...
My engine gets flogged, never had an issue.

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If your ASC light is on, the system is disabled. This occurs after the TB is removed, appart of what you do with the actuator.

This means no rear stability, no ignition retard, nothing. You can't have partial asc - it's all or none.

The actuator/resistor mod only concerns the ABS function, nothing more.

Yes yes, of course. I think I was confused, but you can maintain the rear brakes if you leave the TB in and then disconnect the actuator from the TB.
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I was under the impression that the resistor mod does not yield an ASC light. If that's the case, it doesn't support the notion that the ASC computer sees a fault in the system and thinks the actuator is non-functional.

Not trying to be a pain in the ***. I'd love for that resistor method to be foolproof. I just like to think **** through before I do it. Ya know.
Not a problem, it's good to review this stuff, since even I don't know it as well as I thought. I'm way to tired to think this all through though. I'm going to have to sleep on it.
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Woah. Interesting.

So all this talk of ASC control over ignition timing makes me not as excited about doing this...

Yet, if no one here has reported any ill effects related to ignition...
Read my other posts

ASC is either ON or OFF.

Roland (mistakenly) thought you can keep some part of ASC active, which you cannot. ASC light on = system disabled. Leave the actuator in place.
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I was trying to press the point "if it works on my car, it should work on yours"

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Not a problem, it's good to review this stuff, since even I don't know it as well as I thought. I'm way to tired to think this all through though. I'm going to have to sleep on it.
No problem. I ninja edited that last one anyways.

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Read my other posts

ASC is either ON or OFF.

Roland (mistakenly) thought you can keep some part of ASC active, which you cannot. ASC light on = system disabled. Leave the actuator in place.

So actuator in place = light off?

Because what it sounds like to me is you're driving around with TB removed, actuator in place and ASC light on (or at least with the bulb removed) and have no ASC function at any level. Correct?

I'd like to find a way (as is Nick, if I understand correctly) that I can have no ASC TB and no light so that I can retain the braking portion of ASC-- although from what I'm hearing, this may not be possible.

And Roland, you are also driving around with the light on/all ASC function disabled?
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My engine gets flogged, never had an issue.




Yes yes, of course. I think I was confused, but you can maintain the rear brakes if you leave the TB in and then disconnect the actuator from the TB.
This stuff is confusing for sure.

If you do not disable the ASC, leave the TB in and let the actuator yank at a cord that goes to nothing you can keep automatic rear brakes and the ignition retard.

It's totally pointless though. Especially since we have a real LSD - I heard of 325/328 kids trying this out as a way to emulate an "eLSD" system although I cannot comment on how well that works. I would guess it's horrible and hilarious.


When I floor it and a wheel slips, the LSD grabs and I take off. When they do it, the ASC pulls timing and applies the rear brakes
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