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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Thu, Jan-16-2020, 03:22:02 PM   #31
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I vote M2 if you really want to stay in the family. Probably the only new BMW I would even consider.
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Damn son you like smurf huh? Is the F80 a stick at least lol
I'm still a uni student (graduating in 4 months ) so I don't own either of these beasts. Soon though
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It is also just large-- bigger than an e39. On the plus side, thanks in part to the smaller M seats (than the F30s got), the back seat is sized to match the size of the car. Not true of the base F30, imo.
F80's in-person honestly don't look like big cars, I'd say about as big as an E39 (really good size for a sedan). The M4, on the other hand, looks massive-- especially those rear quarter pannels. It's almost like a baby M6
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Don't get a car that you know will be succeeded by something better. If you buy the latest forced induction and electric steering M coupe now, I have a newsflash: next years' will be even better, faster and number (that is, more numb lol). Modern M cars will always be living in the shadows of their successors. The first four generations, however, gave you unique driving experiences that no other car has recreated yet- or ever will. Hence why I am very certain that in 10 years, you'll be able to pick up an M4 for less than an E92 or E46 M3.

If you want to get something new though; seeing that BMW will make the 2 series platform FWD going forward, I would say now is the time to pick up an M2 (non-comp). The LC500 is also a very impressive piece of machinery that combines the best of old-school cars with the new.
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F80's in-person honestly don't look like big cars, I'd say about as big as an E39 (really good size for a sedan). The M4, on the other hand, looks massive-- especially those rear quarter pannels. It's almost like a baby M6

The thing that bothers me most about our e39 M5, every time I drive it, is the size. Then the worse steering feel, then the torque, which makes it less involving to drive hard. I'd actually sell the M5 for those reasons were it up to me, but my wife loves it (it's her DD).

The F80 is bigger, has less steering feel, and more torque than the e39.

So, yeah... The F80 is not the car for me.
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F80's in-person honestly don't look like big cars, I'd say about as big as an E39 (really good size for a sedan). The M4, on the other hand, looks massive-- especially those rear quarter pannels. It's almost like a baby M6
an M4 parks next to me every day at work and it really does look much bigger...
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The thing that bothers me most about our e39 M5, every time I drive it, is the size. Then the worse steering feel, then the torque, which makes it less involving to drive hard. I'd actually sell the M5 for those reasons were it up to me, but my wife loves it (it's her DD).

The F80 is bigger, has less steering feel, and more torque than the e39.

So, yeah... The F80 is not the car for me.
And you know what? That's okay Different strokes for different folks. When you look at the numbers though, the size of the cars are almost identical. The E39 is a few inches longer but the F80 is wider--probably why you think it's a bigger car?

But yeah like I mentioned before I personally couldn't pick an F80 over an E46. I'd have to own both and have the F80 as a daily and the E46 as second daily
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At risk of getting banned for mentioning the ďPĒ word...apparently thereís going to be a 6MT, NA 6-cylinder Cayman.....might have to look into that....

I get the fun car/driving car concept...but unfortunately the garage is full
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I liked the M4 a lot more than I expected to, it was a very nice car with a lot of power. I could see owning one once they're depreciated out.

If you only read this forum, you'll find that everything sucks EXCEPT for an E46 M3. My suggestion would be to go sample the cars and see which ones you like and which ones you don't as opinions from others are just that, opinions.
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It is also just large-- bigger than an e39. On the plus side, thanks in part to the smaller M seats (than the F30s got), the back seat is sized to match the size of the car. Not true of the base F30, imo.

The F80 is pretty different than the e46 M3. If you like what it offers, it still might be a better supplement than replacement. Large vs small, torque vs revs, turbo vs NA, EPS vs R&P, PITA to work on vs easy to work on.

It's certainly not a car I plan to own at any point in the future. But, I can see the appeal to people that like what it does.
Itís wider than the e39, but itís shorter - length is roughly in between the E46 and e39. Same height. And thatís in M form, so the extra width is largely coming from the fender flares.

Turbo and EPS are its biggest flaws IMO. Otherwise it outdoes the e46 in every category despite its size.
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