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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Fri, Jan-10-2020, 12:13:47 AM   #11
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I wonder what the % split would have been if you could have ordered the CSL with either trans? I would put it at 75/25 ... manual/SMG.
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I wonder what the % split would have been if you could have ordered the CSL with either trans? I would put it at 75/25 ... manual/SMG.
In their release, much more smg since its uncommon to have paddle shifters in the early 2000s. People who buy these cars new want the new thing.

Then the few original three pedal csl would be much more sought after today, similar to F430 manuals
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In their release, much more smg since its uncommon to have paddle shifters in the early 2000s. People who buy these cars new want the new thing.

Then the few original three pedal csl would be much more sought after today, similar to F430 manuals
Agreed
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I wonder what the % split would have been if you could have ordered the CSL with either trans? I would put it at 75/25 ... manual/SMG.
Seeing as BMW put the SMG in the CSL to achieve "that" Nurburgring lap time, I suspect (at the time) that it would have been the other way round. For two reasons: 1. As has been already mentioned, back then SMG II in the CSL was cutting edge (150ms shift changes is still fast by today's standards) and people always want the latest and greatest (look at all the SMG standard M3s that were bought).
2. The manual car would have been several seconds slower than the SMG around the 'ring and everyone wants the "best / fastest", so they would have been ordered (IMO) 75% SMG 25% manual.

However, move on to the current day and the manual cars (partly due to the above split and partly due to people having discovered the joys of shifting themselves and realised that they actually spend the majority of their time with the car on the road, not the track), will be fetching a premium on the SMG cars.

That would be my take on it anyway .
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In their release, much more smg since it’s uncommon to have paddle shifters in the early 2000’s. People who buy these cars new want the “new” thing.

Then the few original three pedal csl would be much more sought after today, similar to F430 manuals
I think this is true, but part of me suspects a purist/enthusiast crowd would have generated high demand for a manual version at the time. Much like what we see with Porsche GT car enthusiasts.

A CSL in an original manual configuration would have fetched $$$ today. Really could have been BMW's best car ever produced.

I don't think there's any surprise as to why BMW offered both the Z4M coupe and 1M coupe in manual transmission only.
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a purist/enthusiast crowd would have generated high demand for a manual version at the time.
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Much like what we see with Porsche GT car enthusiasts.
imo the demand for GT cars these days is from market speculators, not so much driving enthusiasts
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imo the demand for GT cars these days is from market speculators, not so much driving enthusiasts

I'm sure some of them are... but there's a LOT of GT3s doing track days still.
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I'm sure some of them are... but there's a LOT of GT3s doing track days still.
This is where I derived my observation from.
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I'm sure some of them are... but there's a LOT of GT3s doing track days still.
i don't disagree with this, but track day enthusiasts aren't the ones driving the prices of GT cars and special edition manual porsches into the stratosphere. the point i was trying to make was, from a demand persepective, there is a dichotomy between what's desirable to an enthusiast and what people actually buy!
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