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View Poll Results: Assuming identical condition and miles, which would you choose to own?
E46 M3 109 78.42%
E92 M3 30 21.58%
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Old Sat, Jan-04-2020, 09:02:01 AM   #261
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E39 M5: great seating position, low end torque and classic looks. But high maintenance costs and various catastrophic issues keep me away (rod bearings, vanos, chain)
E39 m5 vanos is not catastrophicó just gets noisy and/or loses power-- doesnít take out the engine.
E39 m5 doesnít need rod bearings unless you spend a ton of time above 6500 rpm, which thereís no reason to do as youíre well past peak power. Iím at 200,000 miles on the original rod bearings on ours, and the oil analysis is still coming back clean.
E39 M5 doesnít suffer the same timing chain guide issues as the m62 if you replace the tensioner at 100,000 mile intervals (5 minute job). M62 runs hotter and it causes the plastic guide the break down. S62 runs cooler (actually a cooler thermostat), so they do not unless the chain slaps (weak tensioner)

I believe the e39 M5 is the easiest to run M car long term-- probably why there's a significant number with over 400,000 miles with the engine never opened. I would guess this is a combination of:
Low specific output
no forced induction
no automatic transmission
no all wheel drive
electronics are independently functioning systems
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^ very nitty, but isnít S62 peak power at 6600 ?

I actually thought it was a really fun motor to wring out... mostly cause even stock it sounded so damn good (much better than stock S54 imo). Not that you had to rev it to get moving of course...

Separately, despite all of the **** we give the E39 M5, itís a really, really special car. Iíve actually not driven any other M5 but itís hard to imagine any other do the job any better



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^ very nitty, but isnít S62 peak power at 6600 ?

I actually thought it was a really fun motor to wring out... mostly cause even stock it sounded so damn good (much better than stock S54 imo). Not that you had to rev it to get moving of course...

Separately, despite all of the **** we give the E39 M5, itís a really, really special car. Iíve actually not driven any other M5 but itís hard to imagine any other do the job any better



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Fine, fine, 6600. I never find myself tempted to bang her off the rev limiter, though-- it just kind of feels flat up there to me.

... I don't think it's ownable (reliability wise), and its uglier and has a far worse interior (quality and space), but the e60 M5 drives better. The e60 M5 is actually an amazing driving car, given its size/weight.

Even with the above, I'm on and off pondering importing a wagon once they become legal and children are larger.
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Fine, fine, 6600. I never find myself tempted to bang her off the rev limiter, though-- it just kind of feels flat up there to me.

... I don't think it's ownable (reliability wise), and its uglier and has a far worse interior (quality and space), but the e60 M5 drives better. The e60 M5 is actually an amazing driving car, given its size/weight.

Even with the above, I'm on and off pondering importing a wagon once they become legal and children are larger.
It might not be prohibitively expensive to get one federalized before the 25 years considering the engine and chassis are already legal in the states. Though it might be cheaper to have Kaiv whip one up if you don't care about originality.

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It might not be prohibitively expensive to get one federalized before the 25 years considering the engine and chassis are already legal in the states. Though it might be cheaper to have Kaiv whip one up if you don't care about originality.
I estimate Iím ~10 years out on needing a bigger wagon. Donít plan to go larger till back seat legroom becomes an issue.
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I estimate Iím ~10 years out on needing a bigger wagon. Donít plan to go larger till back seat legroom becomes an issue.
How have you found using rear facing car seats in your cars? My f31 has plenty of space with the uppa baby infant seat, but now that my daughter needs to go in a bigger seat, Iím finding the car lacks rear leg room to comfortably fit, even with a Diono 3 xrt (one of the slimmest seats).

Iím thinking I need to get a 5 series/x5 to comfortably fit the seat 😤
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How have you found using rear facing car seats in your cars? My f31 has plenty of space with the uppa baby infant seat, but now that my daughter needs to go in a bigger seat, I’m finding the car lacks rear leg room to comfortably fit, even with a Diono 3 xrt (one of the slimmest seats).

I’m thinking I need to get a 5 series/x5 to comfortably fit the seat ��
In all our cars, my wife can fit comfortably in front of the reverse facing baby seat and I (6’4) can not. My wife can also fit behind me in all cars, and I can fit behind her, if someone needs to do something with the baby in the back seat (I couldn’t fit in the back of our e91, incidentally, head room wise).

If we have a second kid, it'll be timed such that the current one is forward facing, so that she can fit behind me.
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The stock e60 M5 back seat leg room is actually pretty bad-- significantly worse than the e39. But, I realized a couple of years ago when sitting in a non M e60 that that was entirely because the M5 specific seats are stupidly thick.

So, project 1 if I get one (since my entire goal for the car would increased back seat space for larger children) will be non M seat retrofit.
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Sounds like you should import a Chinese market long-wheelbase E61 and S85 swap that

Edit: Except they didn't make the wagons in long-wheelbase.
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How have you found using rear facing car seats in your cars? My f31 has plenty of space with the uppa baby infant seat, but now that my daughter needs to go in a bigger seat, Iím finding the car lacks rear leg room to comfortably fit, even with a Diono 3 xrt (one of the slimmest seats).



Iím thinking I need to get a 5 series/x5 to comfortably fit the seat

In my experience the car seat makes all the difference. A large part of why we did the Tahoe ďexperimentĒ was the seat we had at the time (a Clek iirc... might be spelling that wrong) was apparently quite tall and the front passenger seat of our Ď15 F31 had to be uncomfortably forward and I couldnít even sit in it (6í3Ē).

Once we realized we hated the Tahoe (an expensive mistake) we found a seat that allowed more room when rear facing - its a Nuna (donít recall model). Now we have our Ď18 F31 and I could actually sit in front of it in a pinch ... now that our son is forward facing itís a non issue.

That said, when this lease is up in ~18 months I think a CPO X5 is in our future given likely a 2nd child + 2 dogs. We do have a Thule ski box which turns the 31 into a surprisingly capable family vehicle!



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