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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Thu, May-30-2019, 05:44:40 AM   #11
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Default Re: Should I buy? Estoril Blue E36 M3/4/5

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Is the car spec’d the way you want, or is it tempting just because you found an Estoril sedan with low miles? I would not buy it unless it exactly what you want, option-wise. If you really want an Estoril/black/wing and this is Estoril/dove/no wing, you will not be happy in the long run. I would also not be too swayed by the mileage. What kind of records does the owner have? How is the headliner, cooling system, and all of the other known areas. Are you prepared to pay top dollar and then have to fix a bunch of things?

As someone who settled on their e36 and has buyer remorse over the choice, I think you need to think bout what you are getting, or perhaps more importantly, not getting, for $20k.
I agree with a lot of things here, basically all except for one.
Holding out for the details like, wing/no wing, interior colour, you might as well stop looking. Better hope you are a religious man as well, because its time to start praying. These cars aren't THAT rare, but unless you are willing to wait a lifetime, or you win the build sheet lottery, you aren't getting a car that has every detail you want unless you are just finding people and throwing money at them to sell.
Its much easier to turn a good condition car, in the colour you want, into exactly what you want.
OP if the "resale value" would keep you from making those decisions, you need to consider the cost of ownership. The 3k its going to scrub off your asking price a few years from now is like pissing in the ocean of money you will spend on actually enjoying the car. 99.5% of these cars aren't collector cars. Don't treat them as such, as you will just ruin it for yourself.
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Old Thu, May-30-2019, 04:00:00 PM   #12
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Default Re: Should I buy? Estoril Blue E36 M3/4/5

What's up westopher! Long time no talk.

Anyways, since leaving the forums I've started my own small niche dealership in PA and actually have 2 E36 M3s. One is a Daytona 1995 which I am planning to keep for myself and the second is a mint 1999 Estoril on Black 5spd, 2 owner, all stock example I just shipped over from California. It has 144k but has had a lot of nice maintenance done. I plan to post it for around 15-17k. You just don't see them for sale in good condition, stock, and not rusted anymore. Same thing that shot the E30 values up (that plus they didn't make a ton either).
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Old Thu, May-30-2019, 06:59:06 PM   #13
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i love my M3/4/5 Estoril on Dove...... now that its been S54 swapped... in 2007 i bought it for 11,500 with 78k on the clock.. now it has just over 170k, with 1500miles on the new S54
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I agree with a lot of things here, basically all except for one.
Holding out for the details like, wing/no wing, interior colour, you might as well stop looking. Better hope you are a religious man as well, because its time to start praying. These cars aren't THAT rare, but unless you are willing to wait a lifetime, or you win the build sheet lottery, you aren't getting a car that has every detail you want unless you are just finding people and throwing money at them to sell.
Its much easier to turn a good condition car, in the colour you want, into exactly what you want.
OP if the "resale value" would keep you from making those decisions, you need to consider the cost of ownership. The 3k its going to scrub off your asking price a few years from now is like pissing in the ocean of money you will spend on actually enjoying the car. 99.5% of these cars aren't collector cars. Don't treat them as such, as you will just ruin it for yourself.
I get your point, but the OP didn't was silent on some of those items, so I felt like it was fair to raise them for discussion purposes. I was not going to suggest he hold out for Contours over DS2s, as that would be easily fixable. However, the wing, while fixable, is a bit of a pain due to sourcing one, having an extra brake light, installation, etc. (or removing it/getting a new trunk if it has one and you don't want it).
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What's up westopher! Long time no talk.

Anyways, since leaving the forums I've started my own small niche dealership in PA and actually have 2 E36 M3s. One is a Daytona 1995 which I am planning to keep for myself and the second is a mint 1999 Estoril on Black 5spd, 2 owner, all stock example I just shipped over from California. It has 144k but has had a lot of nice maintenance done. I plan to post it for around 15-17k. You just don't see them for sale in good condition, stock, and not rusted anymore. Same thing that shot the E30 values up (that plus they didn't make a ton either).
Estoril/black was my number one choice. Cannot wait to see the listing.
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The comments here seems a bit conflicting. Over the years, members on this forum said multiple times that Estoril with dove is rare and more valuable. I assume that applies to a good condition one?

Of course no one is gonna love a poor condition one, aren’t we?

So just to rephrase those comments, an Estoril with Dove in good condition (especially the interior) is more rare, more sought after and holds better value than color combo?
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The comments here seems a bit conflicting. Over the years, members on this forum said multiple times that Estoril with dove is rare and more valuable. I assume that applies to a good condition one?

Of course no one is gonna love a poor condition one, arenít we?

So just to rephrase those comments, an Estoril with Dove in good condition (especially the interior) is more rare, more sought after and holds better value than color combo?
I have never seen anyone say Estoril/dove is rarer than Estoril/black. Its simply not true if they have. There were more than double Estoril/dove sedans produced.
Also, if fastalpine is selling one have a look at it. He's OG.
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Old Tue, Jun-18-2019, 08:13:54 AM   #18
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Default Re: Should I buy? Estoril Blue E36 M3/4/5

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The comments here seems a bit conflicting. Over the years, members on this forum said multiple times that Estoril with dove is rare and more valuable. I assume that applies to a good condition one?

Of course no one is gonna love a poor condition one, arenít we?

So just to rephrase those comments, an Estoril with Dove in good condition (especially the interior) is more rare, more sought after and holds better value than color combo?
dove is the absolute worst interior color offered if you ask me (and i have an Estoril/Dove M3/4/5) Estoril/black is far more desirable
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OP has never even come back to the thread...
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OP has never even come back to the thread...
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