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Old Wed, Dec-06-2017, 01:27:13 AM   #121
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Is it weird I'd rather have a Nick G boosted E36 M3 US spec?
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Sounds awesome.

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Always loved the E36, but pricing for Euro cars is getting outrageous. I've been peeking on Mobile.de for a while now and a clean '97-'99 Coupe with a manual is now running 20k euros+.
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Doesn't seem so outrageous when we are looking at 80k 993 c2s, 60k+ e30 m3s, 30k integral type R's, etc.
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Doesn't seem so outrageous when we are looking at 80k 993 c2s, 60k+ e30 m3s, 30k integral type R's, etc.
lol I think it shows how outrageous the second hand performance car market has gotten. Are those good cars? Sure. That good? No. It is starting to seem like just about everything is getting considered "a classic" these days.
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lol I think it shows how outrageous the second hand performance car market has gotten. Are those good cars? Sure. That good? No. It is starting to seem like just about everything is getting considered "a classic" these days.
Agreed. I hate it. People are talking about EK hatchs with 140k being "collector cars"
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It's not a problem with the second hand performance car market-- the problem is that nobody makes a good new performance car anymore, if you care about involvement/feedback/engine response/MT/maintainablility at all. There is no modern equivalents to older BMWs, older Porsches, and, yes, older sporty NA Hondas.

Limited and diminishing supply of used cars, no new supply, prices go up.

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It's not a problem with the second hand performance car market-- the problem is that nobody makes a good new performance car anymore, if you care about involvement/feedback/engine response/MT/maintainablility at all. There is no modern equivalents to older BMWs, older Porsches, and, yes, older sporty NA Hondas.

Limited and diminishing supply of used cars, no new supply, prices go up.

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Eh, I would have to disagree. For $60k I will take a M2 over any previous M3 with the only exception being the CSL. If you want a car you can sling gears in and throw around you can get a Miata or 86. There’s other cars like the GT350 and Cayman as additional “drivers” cars that are also (relatively) affordable. When people are paying $60k for a POS 348 (granted Ferrari market is a different animal) or $20k for a rebadged 328i people need to take off their rose tinted glasses and get real. The new car market has plenty to offer, people just don’t want to believe it and live in a romanticized world where old is the only answer. Again, those are good cars, but the pricing needs to be dialed back five years for them to be good buys again. /rant/
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Eh, I would have to disagree. For $60k I will take a M2 over any previous M3 with the only exception being the CSL. If you want a car you can sling gears in and throw around you can get a Miata or 86. There’s other cars like the GT350 and Cayman as additional “drivers” cars that are also (relatively) affordable. When people are paying $60k for a POS 348 (granted Ferrari market is a different animal) or $20k for a rebadged 328i people need to take off their rose tinted glasses and get real. The new car market has plenty to offer, people just don’t want to believe it and live in a romanticized world where old is the only answer. Again, those are good cars, but the pricing needs to be dialed back five years for them to be good buys again. /rant/
I hear all that, but having driven an M2 (which is among the best, if not the best, driver's car BMW currently makes,) it drives nothing like the classic BMWs we all know and love. If you want that traditional BMW feel and character, nothing coming out of that company today will suffice.

And the market knows that, and also that those days are gone forever, so the older stuff is priced accordingly.
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