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Old Fri, Jul-20-2018, 11:16:07 PM   #201
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Come to Poland. We’ll fail you 10 times before you get to touch sitting behind the wheel of a vehicle. We’ll fail you for every god damn mistake you make. Passing your driving exam there is a big deal. Schmucks don’t get their drivers licenses like they do in the US.


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Get a grip bro. You have no clue who will or will not pass.
Get a grip bro. We live in the US.

Those riders riding irresponsibly and jeopardizing the safety of everyone around them.

Stupidity justifies stupidity.
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So you’re say we should let the majority of American drivers have a say in what is in the best interest of motorcyclists yet more than half of car drivers in Americans can’t obey one very simple rule while driving which is respecting the left lane for passing only. You know how many dikwads I see every day who can’t obey one very simple rule? No I don’t think American drivers should have any say in what motorcyclists should and shouldn’t do.

I was in a discussion at work recently about who has the right of way at a four way stop and no one knew the answer. Everyone’s response was who ever gets there first. Wrong! Left yields to right! And you wonder why this idiot is running this country. ****ing joke.

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Nope. At a four way stop sign, the first to arrive is the first to go. Only changes if two or more cars arrive at once.
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Get a grip bro. You have no clue who will or will not pass.

Get a grip bro. We live in the US.



Those riders riding irresponsibly and jeopardizing the safety of everyone around them.



Stupidity justifies stupidity.


But America is great. We should be the best! This is the greatest country in the world right? Our drivers and roads and teachers and education should reflect that!


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But America is great. We should be the best! This is the greatest country in the world right? Our drivers and roads and teachers and education should reflect that!


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Who says America is great?

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Are the 1/5 of accidents lane splitting safely? We do not know. You’re nit picking at the examples provided that discuss the benefits rather than making a solid case for why it shouldn’t be allowed. With its legalization there has not been a rampant increase in accidents because of it.
I'm drawing the obvious conclusion. Considering there is only 1 state where it's legal, the onus is on you to make the case that it reduces the number of accidents (aka makes things safer). That study isn't even close. You don't seem to understand that the study is of the consequences of a lane splitting accident vs. a rear ending accident. The point was not that lane splitting increases safety, but that a lane splitting accident is slightly less likely to end in a fatality or violent injury. You're cherry picking it to suggest that lane splitting is safer overall.
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Nope. At a four way stop sign, the first to arrive is the first to go. Only changes if two or more cars arrive at once.

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OK, fair enough, but you're still expecting that idiot in the F-150 to not change lanes into you. Seems to me that by expanding or allowing lane-splitting you're increasing your chances of getting hit by that idiot, not improving them.
This is why this argument is different for riders vs car drivers. Any motoryclist knows you usually have the agility to maneuver out of the way of a car doing something dumb in front of you. When you’re stopped with no rear visbility you’re at complete mercy to that idiot driver.
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This is why this argument is different for riders vs car drivers. Any motorcyclist knows you usually have the agility to maneuver out of the way of a car doing something dumb in front of you. When you’re stopped with no rear visibility you’re at complete mercy to that idiot driver.
1. I've already given that at an intersection it's a clear safety issue. By all means, stop between the cars.

2. There's no way any human being can react fast enough if you're lane-splitting 30 MPH faster than the surrounding traffic and someone moves. No way. And "maneuver out of the way." To where exactly? If you're lane-splitting in the first place it's because traffic is thick and you're nowhere close to either shoulder.

Enjoy your bike all you want. It's great you get such pleasure from it. Lane-splitting is dumb.


Now, can we discuss something civilized like gun control or something? Is SMG an automatic? Does it even belong in a performance car.
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30mph? Who said 30mph? Speed delta is maybe 15-20mph. A 400lb bike with 2 huge front rotors, sticky tires, ABS, and a rider with a bunch of track experience can haul that down in a pretty damn small space.

Also you can maneuver into the space the car/truck just voided.

It’s really not that challenging once you’re experienced doing it. Could the planets align and you get wiped out? Yeah could happen but still it’s a 15-20mph collision where you tipover. It’s not writing pancakes between 2 4000+lb vehicles.
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I'm drawing the obvious conclusion. Considering there is only 1 state where it's legal, the onus is on you to make the case that it reduces the number of accidents (aka makes things safer). That study isn't even close. You don't seem to understand that the study is of the consequences of a lane splitting accident vs. a rear ending accident. The point was not that lane splitting increases safety, but that a lane splitting accident is slightly less likely to end in a fatality or violent injury. You're cherry picking it to suggest that lane splitting is safer overall.
From the discussion section of the UC Berkeley Research Document:

"Lane-splitting is legal and is widely practiced by motorcyclists in California. Of the almost 6,000 collision-involved motorcyclists we studied, nearly 1,000 were lane-splitting at the time of their collision. When we compared motorcyclists who were lane-splitting with those who were not, we could see that the lane-splitting riders were notably different. Compared with other motorcyclists, lane-splitting motorcyclists were more often riding on weekdays and during commute hours, were using better helmets, and were traveling at lower speeds. Lane-splitting riders were also less likely to have been using alcohol and less likely to have been carrying a passenger. Lane-splitting motorcyclists were much less often injured during their collisions. They were considerably less likely to suffer head injury, torso injury, extremity injury, and fatal injury than riders who were not lane-splitting."

"For head injury occurrence, the trend is different from what is observed in non-lane-splitting collisions. During lane-splitting collisions, head injury occurrence is low at all motorcycle speeds up to 50 MPH (6.6% on average) and increases markedly above 50 MPH (16.7% on average)."

Meaning it's appears better to get in a low speed accident splitting than not.

"It is in high-speed environments where lane-splitting has the lowest benefit to the motorcyclist, and high-speed lane-splitting could be reduced or eliminated from California roadways without significant loss of the overall potential benefits of lane-splitting, which include reductions in fuel consumption, emissions, and traffic congestion."

"Many riders advocate for speed differentials of 10, 15, or 20 MPH. Our findings suggest that riders who adopt a 10 or 15 MPH speed differential practice may reduce their exposure to injury risk."

Basically don't speed while you split and there is a certain safety benefit.

"While our study data cannot be used to estimate the risk of actually being involved in a collision, an informal examination of a few dozen lane-splitting collisions revealed an overwhelming trend of lane-splitting collisions resulting from a motorcyclist lane-splitting at a high speed differential."

So of your quoted numbers, the trend appears to be people who were not observing their speed differential tend to be involved in accidents while splitting, with even those who were experiencing less severe injuries. It was also worth noting that of the 6,000 observed incidents (1,000 occurring while lane splitting) 20% were said to be unlicensed for a motorcycle.
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