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E90 M3 (Sedan) | E92 M3 (Coupe) | E93 M3 (Convertible) (2008-2013) {Engine: S65 - Max Hp: 414 hp (420 hp Euro) at 8,300 rpm / 295 lb/ft at 3,900 rpm}


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Old Wed, Aug-24-2005, 08:48:28 AM   #241
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[QUOTE=BMWWilliamsF1]When has too much power ever been enough.....

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For mine, the Carrera S is a bottom of the range 996 or 997 when you look at the scale of Carrera's yet to come out or are out. I personally dont think BMW MSport have a firm aim on pinching clientele from a two door/ two seater sports car market, rather they are aiming at their other "VERY" real rivals the RS4, C55 and alike and thats just in the European Market.
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the S can still cut a 12.x in the 1/4

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So based on that, I still believe the M3 will have to step well into the 415+HP category considering the names mentioned above are all ready supplying such power.
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i agree! its just that i think our expectations will fall somewhat short, i think BMW believes it doesn't have to match their rivals in absolute hp numbers, but rather they believe their whole pakage will still be better and thats really what an M is all about. They still outsell their rivals with 400hp and thats what it all comes down to, $$$$ for BMW. AMG relies almost solely on straightline speed and comfort so they need to push the boundaries on performace to sell cars but M division does not need this approach. They'll only do what they have to to maintain their market share
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I agree and disagree. BMW MSport with the M3 has always been two things.

1. Superior on Speed, regardless if in a straight line or in the twisties.
2. Superior setup and stance on the road for that Pure Driving Experience.

So based on this, I personally believe M will seriously make its competitors sit up and play catch up ONCE again.
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I would rather see a 4.0l at round 425-435hp BMW has also been abought brining lots of HP out of a smaller liter.. I dont see this happening but hey I can hope right
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Default So I guess 415 hp

Well Gentlemen Im new it took me a couple hours to read all of these 2o some pages but the new M3 is not just about the gt 500 and z06 hp those cars are only straight speed muscle cars what about the nice interior of an M3 or the nice looks of a E46 id take it any day over an c5 or a stang what do girls say when you pull up with an M3 next to their boyfriend and his stang they just look at you like you are god.

Think about that cheap z06 and stang interior that is still stuck in the 80s M3 is still an all around best car.
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Well Gentlemen Im new it took me a couple hours to read all of these 2o some pages but the new M3 is not just about the gt 500 and z06 hp those cars are only straight speed muscle cars what about the nice interior of an M3 or the nice looks of a E46 id take it any day over an c5 or a stang what do girls say when you pull up with an M3 next to their boyfriend and his stang they just look at you like you are god.

Think about that cheap z06 and stang interior that is still stuck in the 80s M3 is still an all around best car.

Amen!!! I mean I love chevy and ford trucks.....but seriously, pull up in a M3 or even a nice 330 next to any guy in an American or Japanese sports car (except for say a viper or CTS-V or something a little exotic) and you can at least see a tinge of embarassment and envy in their face .... M3 = class
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except a z06 isnt all staightline speed. the new one is turning some of the fastest laps around the ring even with cars 4 times as much. i realize that the new z06 is really a m3 competetor but dont diss it saying its just straigh line speed
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Default M3 Gtr vs Audi RS6 vs Porsche vs Vette vs VIper = Speed channel

ok we want to talk about racing what about the M3s killing Rs6 Porsches and last place vette and viper with 30 german cars in front I think it is the GT series racing Proffesional racing well the M3 is still number 1 the last time I checked you M3 guys know who Im talking about Hans Stuck Boris Said etc.

The red and white wide bodied M3 GTRs.
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Another week passes and still no further confirmation on engine displacement or HP / Kw output.... Stay tuned.
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What you are missing is that BMW M can outpower AMG anytime of the day or week if they want to by over 100 kW in any of the models and classes.. Merc have admitted they are 5 years behind in engine technology..

But there is no point in going for the overkill.. take the M5 for eg.. they could have gone to 450 kW odd.. but where would that have left the next M5.. this way they leave room open for 400 odd kW for the next generation..

And even with this power they have now they are killing the E55 and CLS55..

and the AMG 6.3 isnt going to be much faster at all.. I mean look at it.. even with an extra 1.3 liters over the M division they only have the same power and are 1600 RPM behind..

And with the next gen. M3 we might get 9000 RPM.. They just keeping ahead or equal to the competition and way ahead on technology..

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ahhh....if it were only to be true but unfortunately i can't see it coming to fruition, BMW are not smart enough (or maybe too smart) to take control of the straightline speed race with their competitors. They had a chance with the M5 to be leaps and bounds ahead of AMG (even their new 6.3 V8) if they had upped the displacemnt more significantly over the E39. As to why they didn't i have my thoughts............
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What you are missing is that BMW M can outpower AMG anytime of the day or week if they want to by over 100 kW in any of the models and classes.. Merc have admitted they are 5 years behind in engine technology..

But there is no point in going for the overkill.. take the M5 for eg.. they could have gone to 450 kW odd.. but where would that have left the next M5.. this way they leave room open for 400 odd kW for the next generation..

And even with this power they have now they are killing the E55 and CLS55..

and the AMG 6.3 isnt going to be much faster at all.. I mean look at it.. even with an extra 1.3 liters over the M division they only have the same power and are 1600 RPM behind..

And with the next gen. M3 we might get 9000 RPM.. They just keeping ahead or equal to the competition and way ahead on technology..
i think you missed what i said, becasue i said what you said, which is they don't need to out power their opposition, not that they couldn't achieve it if they wanted
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