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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Sun, Nov-04-2018, 11:23:25 PM   #1
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Default Tired of NVH. Going back to OEM rubber

Plans change. My car is now a daily driver instead of a track weekend warrior. I used to have soft 80A powerflex FCABS and Turner Street camber plates with a soft poly front shock mount.
Now is it harder 95A FCABS and rock hard monoball BCR camber plates.
Front end feels amazing, but the cost in comfort and noise is just too much on a 50 mile RT daily commute.

I picked up a pair of OEM FCAB lolipops with Lemforder rubber bushings already pressed in for $100 bux from Bavarian Autosport. Not bad. Easy swap. No need for any presses, etc. They are enroute via slow UPS ground. Only an extra $3.00 though!

The camber plates are a more difficult fix. I have a whole TCK SA kit ready to install. But I bought the TCK camber plates which also have the dreaded monoball spherical bearing.

Turner street plates are freaking $550 plus shipping with 60mm spring perches. Ouch.
Are my unused TCK camber plates marketable? What are they worth? I would love to sell them and then apply the proceeds to a set of Turner Street plates.

Will the Turner plates fit my TCK Konis? They are 14mm, right? Turner advertises that their plates fit Konis.

Will I notice any difference in the rear if I remove my AKG 95A RTABS ? I have brand new rubber Lemforder bushes and the special tool needed to install them. Got TMS limiters too back there.
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Turner street plates are freaking $550 plus shipping with 60mm spring perches. Ouch.
that's about how much TCK was charging for their camber plates back when they were selling their kits piecemeal. they're generally worth $3-4 hundo
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Plans change. My car is now a daily driver instead of a track weekend warrior. I used to have soft 80A powerflex FCABS and Turner Street camber plates with a soft poly front shock mount.
Now is it harder 95A FCABS and rock hard monoball BCR camber plates.
Front end feels amazing, but the cost in comfort and noise is just too much on a 50 mile RT daily commute.

I picked up a pair of OEM FCAB lolipops with Lemforder rubber bushings already pressed in for $100 bux from Bavarian Autosport. Not bad. Easy swap. No need for any presses, etc. They are enroute via slow UPS ground. Only an extra $3.00 though!

The camber plates are a more difficult fix. I have a whole TCK SA kit ready to install. But I bought the TCK camber plates which also have the dreaded monoball spherical bearing.

Turner street plates are freaking $550 plus shipping with 60mm spring perches. Ouch.
Are my unused TCK camber plates marketable? What are they worth? I would love to sell them and then apply the proceeds to a set of Turner Street plates.

Will the Turner plates fit my TCK Konis? They are 14mm, right? Turner advertises that their plates fit Konis.

Will I notice any difference in the rear if I remove my AKG 95A RTABS ? I have brand new rubber Lemforder bushes and the special tool needed to install them. Got TMS limiters too back there.
I had the black poly powerflex ones on my car. I actually found out after I thought they might be bad and went in to replace them. Nonetheless, yes, for me I would never go back to poly. I have lemforder w/limiters. I notice no additional play on the street and NVH seems much reduced in the rear.
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I had the black poly powerflex ones on my car. I actually found out after I thought they might be bad and went in to replace them. Nonetheless, yes, for me I would never go back to poly. I have lemforder w/limiters. I notice no additional play on the street and NVH seems much reduced in the rear.
Perfect. That's the answer I was hoping to hear. Thank you so much.

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that's about how much TCK was charging for their camber plates back when they were selling their kits piecemeal. they're generally worth $3-4 hundo
Okay, thank you for the answer. I'll put some feelers out then. If I can get halfway decent price for these TCK plates, it will be less painful to buy the Turner Street plates which are the ones I really want.
First I got to email Doug to 100% check. My tck Koni shocks will fit their street plates I'm
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I would never go back to poly. I have lemforder w/limiters.
Can't be said better.
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Can't be said better.
I already have TMS limiters installed. And I have a set of brand-new Lemforder RTABs and the proper installation tool all ready to go.
The job is on the list.

I did an inspection just recently.
AKG 95a bushings look like they've never been used. I will be putting them up for sale.
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Perfect. That's the answer I was hoping to hear. Thank you so much.



Okay, thank you for the answer. I'll put some feelers out then. If I can get halfway decent price for these TCK plates, it will be less painful to buy the Turner Street plates which are the ones I really want.
First I got to email Doug to 100% check. My tck Koni shocks will fit their street plates I'm


Spoke w Doug recently about the Turner offering. He assured from personal experience the street plates are the go to. The ďhybrid?Ē I believe are even a tad more track focused according to his personal experience w them.

Iím curious about the turner street plates ; running w Koni Yellow / & either a stock spring or Eibach. If it causes any extra height. (Donít believe it does) by just looking at the diagram mocks.

Not sure why more people donít run these...


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On the '02 I have Koni Yellows with stock springs, and turner reinforcement plates, it adds a little bit of height, but mostly due to my thicker (thickest) spring pads...

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Spoke w Doug recently about the Turner offering. He assured from personal experience the street plates are the go to. The ďhybrid?Ē I believe are even a tad more track focused according to his personal experience w them.

Iím curious about the turner street plates ; running w Koni Yellow / & either a stock spring or Eibach. If it causes any extra height. (Donít believe it does) by just looking at the diagram mocks.

Not sure why more people donít run these...


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Not sure why more people donít run these...
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I don't know either. Most people clamor for the Vorshlag plates with the big sturdy but noise conducting spherical bearings.

I HAD Turner Street plates(not the Hybrids). They are great. I did not realize just how great until I went to spherical bearing camber plates combined with hard 95A FCABS.

Unfortunately the guy who bought my KW V2's just had to have the Turner plates too. I'll just have to get another set.

I am on the warpath for anti NVH. I am getting rid of my solid rubber BimmerWorld motor mounts too. Lemforder (OEM) fluid filled mounts are on my list.

Pretty sure I need new tires too. My brand new Federals sound like a DC-3 prop plane at 10,000 feet.
Looking at some quiet Sumitomos.

I will get back to livable cabin NVH. I used to have it. I got too aggressive with everything and then BAM! my car's role changed to a daily driver.
It's all fun for me in the end. I am enjoying finally doing all my own work on the car.

How do you say it? "I am the warranty!"?
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Not sure how many use camber plates w/o full adjustable coil overs, but maybe Iím wrong.




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