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Old Sun, Mar-28-2010, 02:17:08 PM   #11
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Thanks for the compliments. Trojan M3, I have no idea what you're talking about there are no vids posted from the Cayman. I had the camera mounted too low in it so they didn't turn out well enough to post.
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i assumed the top vid was from teh cayman. either way on youtube it's giving an error of "The URL contained a malformed video ID." jussayin
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i assumed the top vid was from teh cayman. either way on youtube it's giving an error of "The URL contained a malformed video ID." jussayin
Oh, I probably entered the link incorrectly or something, but it was to a different M3 vid. I mounted the camera right in front of the harness bar in the Cayman and all you could see was the interior. If you go to my channel it should have 3 vids, 2 of the M3 and one with me as a passenger in a 997 GT2. No worries
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Were your times with the stability management on or off in the M3?

I do best with it on. A friend who is a much more skilled driver found that it interfered too much when on and that the car was too tail happy with it off.

It sounds like you let the transmission shift for itself?

I have done track days at Putnam Park and Nelsons Ledges in my E92 and have had no brake issues with the standard set up. They are much smaller tracks tho. I got lots of metallic sounds and popping from the rotors after each run as the brakes cooled down. No rotor warping so far. I head to Mid-Ohio in May for a track day with 3Balls Racing and that will be a true test of the adequacy of the brakes.
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Were your times with the stability management on or off in the M3?

I do best with it on. A friend who is a much more skilled driver found that it interfered too much when on and that the car was too tail happy with it off.

It sounds like you let the transmission shift for itself?

I have done track days at Putnam Park and Nelsons Ledges in my E92 and have had no brake issues with the standard set up. They are much smaller tracks tho. I got lots of metallic sounds and popping from the rotors after each run as the brakes cooled down. No rotor warping so far. I head to Mid-Ohio in May for a track day with 3Balls Racing and that will be a true test of the adequacy of the brakes.

Stability was on M Dynamic Mode, I found it to be about right. It allows the car to rotate on the slow corners, but not too much. I did NOT let it shift for itself, it is pretty crappy in auto mode IMO, much worse than the PDK. I would at least get pads and fluid before mid-ohio.
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Very interesting comparison, great read

While it seems that some P-cars can make it around the track pretty well on stock pads, I think that stockers are out of the question on the M3 (E46 and especially E9X). For example, there is a guy I usually see at VIR events with silver 997S that has done maybe 10-12 events and still uses the stock pads. By the end of my second day there (VIR full, @ ~2:22/2:23 pace) the stock pads were really struggling on my E46, but switching to a track pad the next time made a world of difference.

I can't speak to how SMG in the 46 would compare to the M-DCT, maybe others here have some input.
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sweet comparison. nice helmet cam!
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Were your times with the stability management on or off in the M3?

I do best with it on. A friend who is a much more skilled driver found that it interfered too much when on and that the car was too tail happy with it off.

It sounds like you let the transmission shift for itself?

I have done track days at Putnam Park and Nelsons Ledges in my E92 and have had no brake issues with the standard set up. They are much smaller tracks tho. I got lots of metallic sounds and popping from the rotors after each run as the brakes cooled down. No rotor warping so far. I head to Mid-Ohio in May for a track day with 3Balls Racing and that will be a true test of the adequacy of the brakes.
I'd do yourself a favor and get a set of track pads. The OE pads will eventually get overheated, then poop on your rotors, and then you'll think your rotors are "warped", in which they won't actually be warped, and the cure will then be to actually buy a set of track pads, drive them on the street to clean the rotors. Then you'll go to the track with track pads and wonder why in god's name you didn't make the switch sooner, because you realize you're track days just got alot more fun, and alot more safe.

You don't want to spend $400 for Pagid yellows up front, fine, then at minimum get yourself some Porterfield R4's all around for about $400 total.

Just had the same conversation with a guy this past saturday who was tracking an E93. It takes 5 extra minutes per corner to change pads when you are swapping your wheels/tires for the track.
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I'd do yourself a favor and get a set of track pads. The OE pads will eventually get overheated, then poop on your rotors, and then you'll think your rotors are "warped", in which they won't actually be warped, and the cure will then be to actually buy a set of track pads, drive them on the street to clean the rotors. Then you'll go to the track with track pads and wonder why in god's name you didn't make the switch sooner, because you realize you're track days just got alot more fun, and alot more safe.

You don't want to spend $400 for Pagid yellows up front, fine, then at minimum get yourself some Porterfield R4's all around for about $400 total.

Just had the same conversation with a guy this past saturday who was tracking an E93. It takes a whole 5 extra minutes per corner to change pads when you are swapping your wheels/tires for the track.
I know track pads rock, I run performance frictions on my Cayman S. The M3 isn't mine so I'm not inclined to buy track pads for it lol. Any other way to clean the pad deposits off?
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I know track pads rock, I run performance frictions on my Cayman S. The M3 isn't mine so I'm not inclined to buy track pads for it lol. Any other way to clean the pad deposits off?
I was just suggesting pads to MJMM3. There are other ways to clean off pad deposits, but none easier than using some track pads on the street because you have deposits on the backside of the rotor as well.
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