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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Thu, Dec-13-2018, 10:28:55 PM   #21
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On a scale of 1Ė10, how bearable is it? Iím thinking about buying a nice SMG example and eventually convert to manual, but the stock SMG software is so terrible that Iím not sure about that.
I'm the wrong person to ask as I bought SMG with the intention of converting it(and I did) as I hate all automatics, but it was a lot better. Still wouldn't convince me to want to own SMG.
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Old Fri, Dec-14-2018, 05:13:18 AM   #23
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On a scale of 1–10, how bearable is it? I’m thinking about buying a nice SMG example and eventually convert to manual, but the stock SMG software is so terrible that I’m not sure about that.
If you ever in the Ft. Worth area drop me a line and you can try it out in my car. Before I bought mine I drove an SMG that was awful (granted the whole car was so it most likely wasn't a healthy SMG) and I was set on a manual but for some reason I called the PO of my car and he convinced me to give his a go (TTFS SMG tune) and it was night and day. I feel in love with the car and figured if something goes wrong I'll manual swap it, well 3 years and 50k later I'm still loving the SMG.

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Aside from Bimmergeeks $50 cable, is there any other cables that work? I see a lot of $15-25 cables on eBay and amazon which seem to do the same thing - any experience?
Funny story; my car came with a TTFS SMG tune (and engine as well, different topic) and the TTFS cable the PO gave me stopped working while the "cheap" cable that came with my INPA bundle works every single time without issue. If you don't have the INPA bundle I highly recommend it and it's something like 25 smackers so why not.
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If you don't have the INPA bundle I highly recommend it and it's something like 25 smackers so why not.

Where would one find this INPA bundle?

How much computer do you need for INPA and other tuning/coding? Will an old windows notebook work?

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if the SMG is still in the stock location, it's prone to overheating in hot summer climate conditions when stuck in traffic and throwing you into neutral. This can't be overcome with software and can only be fixed via relocating the pump.
Do you have the overheating problem with the original pump? On mine, a previous owner replaced the pump at 74k miles, I've owned it from 128k to 153k now, and have not had overheating problems (and I'm in Alabama). I've seen people from Arizona and Texas talking about overheating, and I was theorizing that high heat AND low humidity might be the problem, but I see you're in SC.

Having said that, the relocate is on my list of fun projects to do.
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On a scale of 1Ė10, how bearable is it? Iím thinking about buying a nice SMG example and eventually convert to manual, but the stock SMG software is so terrible that Iím not sure about that.
If 10 is a well driven manual, stock SMG is about a 1, and CSL software is maybe a 4 or 5. So dramatic improvement, but still shit ultimately.
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I'm the wrong person to ask as I bought SMG with the intention of converting it(and I did) as I hate all automatics, but it was a lot better. Still wouldn't convince me to want to own SMG.
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If 10 is a well driven manual, stock SMG is about a 1, and CSL software is maybe a 4 or 5. So dramatic improvement, but still shit ultimately.
Keep in mind not all of us live in a heavily populated area. I live where there are relatively few people and thus do not drive in traffic. Living where I do and driving on low traffic country roads does represent a vastly different scenario. Granted I have no doubt your dislike would remain but I certainly do enjoy a properly tuned SMG given my conditions.
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Keep in mind not all of us live in a heavily populated area. I live where there are relatively few people and thus do not drive in traffic. Living where I do and driving on low traffic country roads does represent a vastly different scenario. Granted I have no doubt your dislike would remain but I certainly do enjoy a properly tuned SMG given my conditions.


This. Iím in an urban/rural area, and given the list of expensive things the car prob needs (rod bearings, VANOS, subframe), seems to me that the $100 a CSL tune with associated cables and such costs vs $3,000+ manual swap is worth at least TRYING. I also have a wedding and honeymoon to pay for soooooo...financial triage?
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... but still shit ultimately.
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If 10 is a well driven manual, stock SMG is about a 1, and CSL software is maybe a 4 or 5. So dramatic improvement, but still shit ultimately.
This would be quite accurate if I had to put numbers on it as requested before.
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Discussing TTFS CSL Tune vs 6spd swap in the E46 M3 (2001-2006) Forum - Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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