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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Mon, Jun-03-2013, 09:07:15 PM   #11
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Yes there is. People need to learn and look deeper into why these vanos units are failing all the time. The reason is the OIL. CASTROL OIL is absolutely garbage oil. Friend of mine, his M3 has a lot more mileage than mine as he drives his year around. bought his in 2005 and in 30 000kms he had both tabs break. got himself new vanos unit and as I instructed to him at that time to not run Castrol oil. Him and I have been running Liquid Moly oil and he is at 160 000kms now on his M3 with not a single vanos problem. Castrol oil is crap. it is recommended by BMW because they are partner ship with Castrol. The additive you are looking for that your oil needs to have that makes this TWS soooo special is Zinc Phosphorous. Once TOTAL makes a 10w-60 for these cars I will be switching to that. But for now I will be running Lquid Moly.
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Yes there is. People need to learn and look deeper into why these vanos units are failing all the time. The reason is the OIL. CASTROL OIL is absolutely garbage oil. Friend of mine, his M3 has a lot more mileage than mine as he drives his year around. bought his in 2005 and in 30 000kms he had both tabs break. got himself new vanos unit and as I instructed to him at that time to not run Castrol oil. Him and I have been running Liquid Moly oil and he is at 160 000kms now on his M3 with not a single vanos problem. Castrol oil is crap. it is recommended by BMW because they are partner ship with Castrol. The additive you are looking for that your oil needs to have that makes this TWS soooo special is Zinc Phosphorous. Once TOTAL makes a 10w-60 for these cars I will be switching to that. But for now I will be running Lquid Moly.
I actually agree with you when it comes to only sticking to Castrol. Liqui Moli makes GREAT oil. I ran it in my E36 M3 for a long time. I used it because it was the only oil to really quiet the hydraulic lifters/valves in the s52 towards the end of the oils life. Other oils seemed to break down causing my lifters to be much louder before the oil change.

I am running Castrol right now and I may make the switch for three or four oil changes and send them off to Blackstone and see what it says. I have been running Castrol in the car since day 1 with oil changes every 6-7.5k.

However, pinning the Vanos problem all on the oil seems a little extreme...the tabs break because of the slack in the oil pump disc.

My theory is it in someway related to driving habits and the slack in the oil pump disk....Not the materials used in the hubs.

OP there is no real way to pinpoint it. Right now we all have theories and no facts. Do some research on the Vanos and see if you can figure it out. One day someone will have it figured out. The more people working on it the better
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I actually agree with you when it comes to only sticking to Castrol. Liqui Moli makes GREAT oil. I ran it in my E36 M3 for a long time. I used it because it was the only oil to really quiet the hydraulic lifters/valves in the s52 towards the end of the oils life. Other oils seemed to break down causing my lifters to be much louder before the oil change.

I am running Castrol right now and I may make the switch for three or four oil changes and send them off to Blackstone and see what it says. I have been running Castrol in the car since day 1 with oil changes every 6-7.5k.

However, pinning the Vanos problem all on the oil seems a little extreme...the tabs break because of the slack in the oil pump disc.

My theory is it in someway related to driving habits and the slack in the oil pump disk....Not the materials used in the hubs.

OP there is no real way to pinpoint it. Right now we all have theories and no facts. Do some research on the Vanos and see if you can figure it out. One day someone will have it figured out. The more people working on it the better
Could not of summarized this thread and all the points made any better. Very well Put and good post.
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Yes there is. People need to learn and look deeper into why these vanos units are failing all the time. The reason is the OIL. CASTROL OIL is absolutely garbage oil. Friend of mine, his M3 has a lot more mileage than mine as he drives his year around. bought his in 2005 and in 30 000kms he had both tabs break. got himself new vanos unit and as I instructed to him at that time to not run Castrol oil. Him and I have been running Liquid Moly oil and he is at 160 000kms now on his M3 with not a single vanos problem. Castrol oil is crap. it is recommended by BMW because they are partner ship with Castrol. The additive you are looking for that your oil needs to have that makes this TWS soooo special is Zinc Phosphorous. Once TOTAL makes a 10w-60 for these cars I will be switching to that. But for now I will be running Lquid Moly.
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Yes there is. People need to learn and look deeper into why these vanos units are failing all the time. The reason is the OIL. CASTROL OIL is absolutely garbage oil. Friend of mine, his M3 has a lot more mileage than mine as he drives his year around. bought his in 2005 and in 30 000kms he had both tabs break. got himself new vanos unit and as I instructed to him at that time to not run Castrol oil. Him and I have been running Liquid Moly oil and he is at 160 000kms now on his M3 with not a single vanos problem. Castrol oil is crap. it is recommended by BMW because they are partner ship with Castrol. The additive you are looking for that your oil needs to have that makes this TWS soooo special is Zinc Phosphorous. Once TOTAL makes a 10w-60 for these cars I will be switching to that. But for now I will be running Lquid Moly.
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Yes there is. People need to learn and look deeper into why these vanos units are failing all the time. The reason is the OIL. CASTROL OIL is absolutely garbage oil. Friend of mine, his M3 has a lot more mileage than mine as he drives his year around. bought his in 2005 and in 30 000kms he had both tabs break. got himself new vanos unit and as I instructed to him at that time to not run Castrol oil. Him and I have been running Liquid Moly oil and he is at 160 000kms now on his M3 with not a single vanos problem. Castrol oil is crap. it is recommended by BMW because they are partner ship with Castrol. The additive you are looking for that your oil needs to have that makes this TWS soooo special is Zinc Phosphorous. Once TOTAL makes a 10w-60 for these cars I will be switching to that. But for now I will be running Lquid Moly.


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Yes there is. People need to learn and look deeper into why these vanos units are failing all the time. The reason is the OIL. CASTROL OIL is absolutely garbage oil. Friend of mine, his M3 has a lot more mileage than mine as he drives his year around. bought his in 2005 and in 30 000kms he had both tabs break. got himself new vanos unit and as I instructed to him at that time to not run Castrol oil. Him and I have been running Liquid Moly oil and he is at 160 000kms now on his M3 with not a single vanos problem. Castrol oil is crap. it is recommended by BMW because they are partner ship with Castrol. The additive you are looking for that your oil needs to have that makes this TWS soooo special is Zinc Phosphorous. Once TOTAL makes a 10w-60 for these cars I will be switching to that. But for now I will be running Lquid Moly.
Wow, problem solved. Not....
This is not a part failure due to oil and wear.
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I'am not saying this is the only reason for the part failing but it can be a cause. believe it or not. take it with a grain of salt. You want to have a one track mind be my guest.
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