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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Sun, Dec-25-2011, 03:13:31 AM   #1
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Default Let's talk suspension: Supporting Mods

Hi guys..

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I'm looking to redo my suspension in the next fews week but to be honest I'm totally confused as to which direction to take it to

To those who say to just track the car and figure out what I need to buy, my suspension has 80k on it and it's all shot. My shocks are dead, my rtabs are and I can move my front arms around with my hands since my fcab's are

now it's get onto it

I'm planning to buy my suspension once to avoid having to "upgrade" it again(saves money in the long run) so I want to get this right the first time. Now, here's my question. Is it better to higher quality coilovers with a refresh of oem rubber vs. decent quality coilovers with upgraded supporting mods.

let's just make this quick

which set up will give me more of a "on rails" feeling?

1. ST coilovers/BC(BR) coilovers/something of this level

with

RE FCAB
PF RTAB
Monoball rear shock mounts
Monoball camber plates
GC Weight Jacks
GC Front and Rear Sway bars
GC Endlinks
GC Rear Control Arms

or

2. AST 4100/JIC Cross/TCKline (D/A)/GC Race

with

New oem fcab's and rtab's(with limiters)
fixed camber plates
new oem control arms in the rear

the alignment specs of both setups should come out to about the same..+/- a few degrees of camber both front and rear
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Default Re: Let's talk suspension: Supporting Mods

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2. AST 4100/JIC Cross/TCKline (D/A)/GC Race

with

New oem fcab's and rtab's(with limiters)
fixed camber plates
new oem control arms in the rear

the alignment specs of both setups should come out to about the same..+/- a few degrees of camber both front and rear
these shock setups with no camber plates would just be a tease. there's nothing wrong with running oem fcabs/rtabs with limiters. also, the oem control arms are capable of getting over -2 deg camber in the rear, so unless you REALLY need to swap those out for some serious rear camber, i'd recommend staying oem for now.

have you given thought to spring rates yet?

suspension is something that you should get things right the first time. i'm not sure sure about the ST coilovers and their ability at the track, but the TCK & GC setups are proven koni setups that won't fail you.
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Default Re: Let's talk suspension: Supporting Mods

What's your current budget on parts?

Speaking from personal experience and in hindsight, I would definitely encourage you to go with the best quality damper you can get. If you can't afford it at the moment with quality mounting harder, I'd try to save a little longer. Personally, I don't think there isn't anything wrong with running brand new OEM rubber bushings and mounts.

I think a nice street friendly setup would be:
AST 4100
GC Hybrid Plates
GC Street RSM
GC Weight Jack
OEM FCAB and RTAB w/ Limiters

Then with more experience and as you dial in your driving style and car, you can pick up some sway bars.
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Default Re: Let's talk suspension: Supporting Mods

JIC Cross coils, TMS rear camber arms, powerflex rtabs & fcab, TMS rear subframe reinforcement kit, New diff bolts (if you havnt already)
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Default Re: Let's talk suspension: Supporting Mods

I see..
so I'm guessing the general consensus is to get the best coilovers

those setups were just made up..
just wanted to see what the responses were going to be like..
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Have you done a front end inspection yet? how are the ball joints? inner and outter tie rod ends? Subframe bushings? Dont mean to add more to your list, just giving you other things that you may have missed.
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AST 4100, Bimmerworld RTABs, oem fcab and subframe bushings and couldn't be happier with the setup
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I see..
so I'm guessing the general consensus is to get the best coilovers

those setups were just made up..
just wanted to see what the responses were going to be like..
Not at all, jic cross was listed in your setups and if you were choosing between the once you listed, I'd get those.
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What's your current budget on parts?

Speaking from personal experience and in hindsight, I would definitely encourage you to go with the best quality damper you can get. If you can't afford it at the moment with quality mounting harder, I'd try to save a little longer. Personally, I don't think there isn't anything wrong with running brand new OEM rubber bushings and mounts.

I think a nice street friendly setup would be:
AST 4100
GC Hybrid Plates
GC Street RSM
GC Weight Jack
OEM FCAB and RTAB w/ Limiters

Then with more experience and as you dial in your driving style and car, you can pick up some sway bars.
I second this setup with a set of proper camber plates. I recently went through the same upgrade path, and ended up with a set of Ohlins with Vorschlag camber plates, OEM RTAB + Vorschlag limiters.

The AST setup uses a monotube setup, which I believe offers superior dampening.
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Default Re: Let's talk suspension: Supporting Mods

You're confused because you're making it complicated. Forget all the fancy bushings, endlinks, racing shock mounts and swaybars. Stick with OEM rtabs/fcabs and rubber RSMs for nice road manners.

Now, let's talk coilovers. I think the best value, by far, will be TCK SAs with Vorshlag plates at ~$2100. The shocks are very nice with excellent road manners, provide a modest ride height range and are proven. They're good all around coilovers.

The next step up are the AST 4100s for a bit more money. From what I've read it seems that these may require a somewhat low-ish ride height, which may be impractical for heavy street use. I'm sure AST users will contribute here as I'd like to know more about this myself.
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