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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Fri, Jul-26-2019, 11:27:13 PM   #1
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How do all of you guys feel about the 2005-> American V8 sportscar resurrection?

I am not pretentious, and I have absolutely no claim on being a 'rich kid.' I do and have done pretty damn well, but I work for it. I was given no legs up, and I couldn't afford go to college. etc etc, blah blah.

Bottom line is: I'm no car snob. That said...... I can't but feel a little ... bored... overwhelmed... over-saturated... fatigued... by seeing nearly as many Dodge, GM, and Ford sportscars on the road as I do family sedans.

Maybe I am just a little bitter: I drive a car that, in 2006 (and especially 2001) was extremely remarkable: it would have dominated American roads. Now, I am surrounded by cheap and what feels like clumsy horsepower bolted to poorly thought-out frames. (This will sound especially ridiculous, when one considers that I couldn't design even one component on these cars, and probably in a thousand lifetimes couldn't design a car that would drive for 200,000 miles).

I don't know what it is. The Mustangs get a lot right, visually, but the broad sheeting of the Camaros and Dodge cars just make me feel nauseous.

I can only say.. that when I enter one of their personal space on the freeway... when I see the glance in the rear view... when I downshift to 3rd as the car ahead of them begins to merge... when I'm ready... when I can just FEEL the 'WTF' all the way up to 115 or 125 (what is, for them, quite a rush I imagine) without giving them even 12 inches of increase.... it just makes me feel good.

What do you guys think about McMuscle? Should we be proud, as Americans? Proud that more people are finding themselves in racing striped or lime green power houses? Pleased that there are more targets for police laser guns?

Curious to hear. Danke!

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Well, since you asked ... I never think about the car being driven on public roads at 115 - 125 mph. What I do think about is the asol driving it, hoping that he/she doesn't kill any innocents along the way.
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Old Sat, Jul-27-2019, 12:07:32 AM   #3
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...hoping that he/she kills innocents along the way.
Now why on earth would you hope that? Stop hitting yourself, Bubba, stop hitting yourself!

Kidding. Sometimes you just have to chuckle.
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Old Sat, Jul-27-2019, 01:36:54 AM   #4
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Not quite sure what you're getting on about, but many of these McMuscle cars (as you put it) will put the hurt down on a lot of germans (e46 included) stock for stock on the track. Also to call those frames "poorly thought out" is pretty laughable for the owner of a car which literally tears its own frame to pieces. We should be happy that there are more performance cars out there still being made as oppose to everything becoming hybrids and crossovers.
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...to call those frames "poorly thought out" is pretty laughable for the owner of a car which literally tears its own frame to pieces.
Ha! I hadn't even thought of that yet. Point duly taken
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We should be happy that there are more performance cars out there still being made as oppose to everything becoming hybrids and crossovers.
I WANT to appreciate them on this point. But... there's some hesitation. I think using the word 'performance' brings to the forefront the thorn here, for me: 'What performance.' They are good at turning gasoline into forward motion. Some of them are good at emitting the sound of a V8.

Maybe I'm just up against the two 'schools', or 'philosophies' of global sporting car design: American straight-line power versus European balance. And, maybe it's all just personal preference.
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American cars are getting increasingly more interesting just as German cars are getting increasingly more bland. While not muscle, the new C8 has really peaked my interest more than any other new car at the moment.
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Worst part of this is that v8 noise. Every dickhead in LA has a mustang/charger/challenger/Camaro with "loud pipes yo'" driving wot everywhere they go, thats the nauseating part. Funny thing is, you hardly ever hear an obnoxious Porsche, bmw, lambo, Ferrari, aston etc. I think oversaturated is the right word, thats what ruins it for me.

But, the American cars have stepped up their game recently, especially ford with the Mustang. Charger is still a pile of hot rental garbage imo.

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OK, I'll bite.
I traded off my M3 after I bought a Z06 (C6, 2006).
Other than only seating 2 people and having a sort of cheap interior...
It's a bunch more capable on the track, and makes you shout "Holy F*ck!" every time you pull through 2nd and 3rd at full throttle.
No mistaking... the E46 M3 is awesome. If you can only have one car, and you want it to do everything, It's still unsurpassed.
I'm not limited that way, so having a McMuscle car works. I wouldn't really want it as my only transpo, but it could work.
Haven't driven a newer Mustang. They might be better than you think...
Likewise a new Camaro, but as my friend Marco (Italian..) said: "They're too Guido!"
Haven't driven a Challenger either. They might suck the most?
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Worst part of this is that v8 noise. Every dickhead in LA has a mustang/charger/challenger/Camaro with "loud pipes yo'" driving wot everywhere they go, thats the nauseating part. Funny thing is, you hardly ever hear an obnoxious Porsche, bmw, lambo, Ferrari, aston etc. I think oversaturated is the right word, thats what ruins it for me.

Agreed!
Every moron seems to equate 'louder' with 'better'.
Not just the McMuscle, but pickups, Suburbans, Hondas/Subarus...
I'd rather not attract attention to my misdeeds.
I'm running catted headers through stock mufflers. Quiet as stock cruising, awesome (but relatively quiet!) LS scream up to redline.
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