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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Wed, Jan-31-2018, 03:29:45 PM   #1
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Default Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

Whats going on guys, do you think changing a smg to 6mt hurt or increase the value of our cars?
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Default Re: Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

To a collector it probably hurts the value, so if you have a super low mileage SMG and are concerned with resale, I wouldn't do a swap.

But for a car that is going to be used as a driver, the market would probably appreciate a well-done 6MT swap over an SMG, slight value increase although it won't be worth as much as an equivalent car that came with 6MT from the factory.
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Old Wed, Jan-31-2018, 04:47:23 PM   #3
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Default Re: Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

6 speeds are more desirable. However original is also more desirable. Lots of people don’t want a car that has undergone major surgery like that. Especially if it wasn’t done by a very credible shop.


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Old Wed, Jan-31-2018, 06:13:43 PM   #4
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Default Re: Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

Honestly, who cares unless you've a super low mile/high value example?

Just swap it and have fun.
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Default Re: Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

Unless you have a low mileage mint condition smg m3 with desireable color combo then it shouldn’t matter much. There’s just too many legit desireable, original spec, 6spd m3’s out there for real collectors to choose from where they won’t be your potential buyers anyway regardless if you swap or not.
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It will be harder to sell. Most people don't want a car that has been through a major surgery - regardless of the improvement.
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It will be harder to sell. Most people don't want a car that has been through a major surgery - regardless of the improvement.
I would disagree... Its all contingent on the buyer.

If you have documentation and the swap was done correctly it is highly more desireable to the enthusiast who understands the situation.

To the general population they dont know the difference and while you may disclose the swap all things point to a headache free gearbox.

I would safely say that maybe 25% at a max actually get it, the rest dont GAF.

The only upside to SMG is the vast majority of people can no longer operate a third pedal car and SMG is a lot easier to drive from a beginer standpoint.

If its already healthy as SMG leave it, sell it as is. No point in putting $2-3k into it to recoup at most $2k. Time is money.
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It will be harder to sell. Most people don't want a car that has been through a major surgery - regardless of the improvement.


Mine was converted. I wouldn’t of bought it if it was an smg. I know I wouldn’t of found mine in factory manual. And the conversion was done by kaiv and it was his personal car.
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I would disagree... Its all contingent on the buyer.

If you have documentation and the swap was done correctly it is highly more desireable to the enthusiast who understands the situation.

To the general population they dont know the difference and while you may disclose the swap all things point to a headache free gearbox.

I would safely say that maybe 25% at a max actually get it, the rest dont GAF.

The only upside to SMG is the vast majority of people can no longer operate a third pedal car and SMG is a lot easier to drive from a beginer standpoint.

If its already healthy as SMG leave it, sell it as is. No point in putting $2-3k into it to recoup at most $2k. Time is money.
It’s pretty common knowledge that converting anything major on a car is a big deal. Your pool of buyers just go way down.

Say You finally save $100k to buy your dream used gallardo. Would you buy the Rwd converted one with manual swap done by a reputable forum member? Or buy one in similar condition that’s all original for same price?

Same deal goes with e46’s (but worse bcs there’s many to choose from)..except primary buyers are broke cheapsters so you know they’ll be extra stingy. Enthusiasts with $ will pay the extra fee for an all original car. If you are doing the swap do it for the enhanced driving experience not resale.
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It’s pretty common knowledge that converting anything major on a car is a big deal. Your pool of buyers just go way down.

Say You finally save $100k to buy your dream used gallardo. Would you buy the Rwd converted one with manual swap done by a reputable forum member? Or buy one in similar condition that’s all original for same price?

Same deal goes with e46’s (but worse bcs there’s many to choose from)..except primary buyers are broke cheapsters so you know they’ll be extra stingy. Enthusiasts with $ will pay the extra fee for an all original car. If you are doing the swap do it for the enhanced driving experience not resale.
Seriously, these cars aren't lambos... And I think calling it major surgery is a stretch. It's not much worse than any of the normal maintenance an SMG may require.

There are certainly people who won't buy a swapped car. There are also people who would never buy a SMG car. I don't know which group is larger. I don't think it's worth doing for the sake of resale, but I think there are enough people willing to pay for a swapped car that it's worth doing if you're tired of SMG.
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