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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Thu, Mar-23-2017, 05:49:00 PM   #51
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Rod bolts can't be replaced
Can you elaborate on this? Do you just mean the older M11 bolts are no longer available?

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01s had a different final drive ratio
Pretty minor difference... from 3.64 to 3.62.

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01s didn't have bixenons (hugely worse based on my e39 non bixenons-- trash
I wouldn't say the bixenons are much of an upgrade (I've driven E46 M3s with both). A retrofit would be the way to go for better light output.

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LCM has a ton of missing functionality vs later cars (e.g. Tripple blink turn signals)
You can enable triple blink signals with Intravee.

One thing I didn't see mentioned yet is that fewer cars were built for '01 model year. That might account for the difference in number of VANOS failures. The MK60 DSC is probably the biggest reason to choose a later model year, IMO. Most everything else can be retrofitted without too much difficulty.
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Old Thu, Mar-23-2017, 05:57:20 PM   #52
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Can you elaborate on this? Do you just mean the older M11 bolts are no longer available?


Pretty minor difference... from 3.64 to 3.62.


I wouldn't say the bixenons are much of an upgrade (I've driven E46 M3s with both). A retrofit would be the way to go for better light output.


You can enable triple blink signals with Intravee.

One thing I didn't see mentioned yet is that fewer cars were built for '01 model year. That might account for the difference in number of VANOS failures. The MK60 DSC is probably the biggest reason to choose a later model year, IMO. Most everything else can be retrofitted without too much difficulty.
Yeah, I don't think any single thing is make or break on its own. The sum of them would put me in a newer car.

Yeah, I meant the M11 rod bolts are NLA, so you have to reuse them or go aftermarket.

I upgraded the xenons on my M5 and bixenons on my M3. The M5 it felt like it had to be done to drive the car safely at night. The M3 was a great increase... but they were certainly functional beforehand.

I'm running triple blink via intravee in my M5

And one day, when non shitty head units exist, I'll have an $200 intravee in my M5, doing nothing other than giving me triple blink headlights... which is a bit silly.
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I prefer xenon to bixenon because the xenon projector is smaller (looks better). Light output is okay, but I would like to upgrade to a better projector, while keeping the smaller projector dia.

Triple blink and upgraded DSC are useless to me. I never use triple on my other car. DSC is always enabled on street and disabled on track; I don't care for the M mode. I do hate the fact that there's no screen to catch anything that you drop when doing valve adjustment. Only reason why I outsource my valve adjustment.
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DSC is always enabled on street and disabled on track; I don't care for the M mode. I do hate the fact that there's no screen to catch anything that you drop when doing valve adjustment. Only reason why I outsource my valve adjustment.
FYI a lot of 997 cup car drivers retrofit the e46's MK60 DSC, because it gives them a competitive braking advantage

MK20 DSC I can't live with on the street. In the M5, I have it off because it limits me too much.

MK60 in MTM I'm happy to leave on. It doesn't mess with me unless I've actively drifting.
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DSC is always enabled on street and disabled on track; I don't care for the M mode.
Have you actually tried M-track? Your sentiment was pretty common here until we figured out how to actually enable it.

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FYI a lot of 997 cup car drivers retrofit the e46's MK60 DSC, because it gives them a competitive braking advantage

MK20 DSC I can't live with on the street. In the M5, I have it off because it limits me too much.

MK60 in MTM I'm happy to leave on. It doesn't mess with me unless I've actively drifting.
Just FYI, the M5 doesn't have the MK20. It has the Bosch 5.7 system instead. MK20 should be better in theory, but MK60 is still the way to go (and if I ever find one cheap, I might be tempted to try the Z4 MK60e5)
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Just FYI, the M5 doesn't have the MK20. It has the Bosch 5.7 system instead. MK20 should be better in theory, but MK60 is still the way to go (and if I ever find one cheap, I might be tempted to try the Z4 MK60e5)
Interesting.

Well, the Bosch 5.7 is freaking annoying

I pretty much have DSC off in the M5 unless I'm on the highway... far from ideal. But, otherwise it just cuts in connnnstantly.
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Was not aware of the DSC module difference, but y'all must drive like nut jobs on the road to get intervention every day on the street. The only time I've really noticed harsh intervention on the street was when I was in hairpins on the Tail of the Dragon.

'02 here, bought at 39k. Rod bearing recall was done. I was able to retrofit bluetooth/USB/aux by a mediabridge in a parking garage, and my cylinder head has screens over the oil passages. I wish my car came stock with the LEDs and triple blink, but it hasn't killed my experience without them either.
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My 11/2002 Build Date M3 has the MK60 DSC. I believe the cutoff was October 02 for that update.
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My 11/2002 Build Date M3 has the MK60 DSC. I believe the cutoff was October 02 for that update.
Real Oem says cut-off is 09/02
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I've had an 01 since Jan 2008 and have been totally happy with it. Bought it with 22k on it, has around 150k now. I'll never sell it.

Question, can I retro fit the mk60 dsc?
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