[IHatePosers]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

Then I guess it's a good job we have all those autobahns in the US.

Doesn't come alive until 120mph + perfect autobahn stormer = M3 that will be used in America for Starbucks runs.

i mean thats the point with all these german sleds. if you go drive in germany, you begin to understand why these cars are made to be missiles and how amazing they are at high speeds. thats why i believing owning an m vehicle as a "daily driver" is pointless in america. you'd be better off with the high end 3 series.

my buddy bought a brand new e92 m3. moved to la. sold the car within 3 months. idiotic, but he was not getting out of 2nd gear and he was killing gas. he bought a new 335i and he has never been happier. the torque of the turbo is way more usable on the street, than winding out the s65.

Originally Posted by M3_Dust

front clip is looking better under that mesh bra thing

reworked N55 is no good and is BS

electric power steering is no good

M4 name is no good

yeah i think the front end will look super aggressive with the m styling on the f30 body style. yeah a reworked n55 is dumb. they should just put the v8 twin turbo they put in the x5m and x6m into this car.

i hate the change of the name, but as long as there is an M3, thats all that matters to me.

[m3 guy]

Originally Posted by EKaru

Can someone tell me why the E90 M3 sedan was prematurely discontinued and why BMW is bringing it back in F80 form?

Can't sell an e90 m when you are selling f30 non-m's.

[Porsha]

Mostly agree which is sadly a large reason why I haven't pulled the trigger on a 997.1 GT3 as I had planned.

Speed limits for everywhere I drive 99% of the time are 40-45mph and it's VERY strictly enforced. I also know I wouldn't get to the track but maybe a couple times a year.......MAYBE. What's the point in having a GT3 in that environment?

I'm more likely to buy a used F30 diesel or 328i down the line.

[jph28]

Originally Posted by IHatePosers

yeah i think the front end will look super aggressive with the m styling on the f30 body style. yeah a reworked n55 is dumb. they should just put the v8 twin turbo they put in the x5m and x6m into this car.

i hate the change of the name, but as long as there is an M3, thats all that matters to me.

But that would mean the M3 and M5 would have the same engine... Still, it sounds like this inline-6 turbo will be at least as "re-worked" as the S63tu is compared to the N63

Yes, the displacement is the same (as is N63 --> S63), but the block/head/turbos/intake/VANOS/etc will all be M-specific... Sounds at least quite promising to me.

Originally Posted by Porshapwr

Mostly agree which is sadly a large reason why I haven't pulled the trigger on a 997.1 GT3 as I had planned.

Speed limits for everywhere I drive 99% of the time are 40-45mph and it's VERY strictly enforced. I also know I wouldn't get to the track but maybe a couple times a year.......MAYBE. What's the point in having a GT3 in that environment?

I'm more likely to buy a used F30 diesel or 328i down the line.

I agree Hence, I don't foresee buying a car that's faster/more capable than the E46 for a while... The TDI and the old Saab are/were more fun to drive around town, and that gap in "fun" would likely only increase with a newer/faster car (imo).

[EKaru]

Originally Posted by m3 guy

Can't sell an e90 m when you are selling f30 non-m's.

Why not?

[m3 guy]

Originally Posted by EKaru

Why not?

1. The factories are tooled for the f30/f80 platform now

2. Marketing

Same thing will happen to the e92. As soon as the factories are tooled up for f32/f82 production they will be no more.

[M3_Dust]

Originally Posted by ///M Rat

So what are you really trying to say?

they had better get the coupe right

it must have an all-new engine

it better not have electric steering

it better be called M3

[clevername]

Originally Posted by jph28

That's some pretty serious stock rubber!

Even so, it looks there there is, in typical fashion, room for quite a bit more under those flared fenders



Sounds good

Ok lighter and more efficient than the e92 I can understand but
faster and more powerful I would need some data for.

If speed is the consideration, is it the same driver, course, wear on vehicles equal? You can't just throw out a phrase like "faster" yet.

More powerful than the e92 is also suspect since official numbers haven't been released yet and clarified by a third party consumer report.

The f80 isn't naturally aspirated which makes this statement hollow because you should consider turbo lag and the fact the engine is 2 cylinders smaller. The fact is that the e92 m3 has the only v8 in any m3 and didn't need turbos to get the horsepower.

To me it just seems like BMW was playing catch up with f80 after the e92 m3 model.

[Mr. Wolfe]

Originally Posted by clevername

Ok lighter and more efficient than the e92 I can understand but
faster and more powerful I would need some data for.

If speed is the consideration, is it the same driver, course, wear on vehicles equal? You can't just throw out a phrase like "faster" yet.

More powerful than the e92 is also suspect since official numbers haven't been released yet and clarified by a third party consumer report.

The f80 isn't naturally aspirated which makes this statement hollow because you should consider turbo lag and the fact the engine is 2 cylinders smaller. The fact is that the e92 m3 has the only v8 in any m3 and didn't need turbos to get the horsepower.

To me it just seems like BMW was playing catch up with f80 after the e92 m3 model.

I disagree. There is absolutely ZERO chance of a performance-oriented car not developing a faster, latest model version.

My guess is 454hp, 3550 lbs.

Mr. Wolfe

[clevername]

Two words....turbo lag. If someone can show me otherwise I will consider the new one. I want to like it but something is holding me back, other than my accountant.

I guess the torch is being passed on. Can't stop progress I guess.