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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Mon, Jul-09-2018, 06:21:36 PM   #21
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Default Re: For LSB guys...

Hands down GT2 RS or keep the M3. I couldn't trade it for even a GT3/RS, but that GT2 is another story
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911 is the obvious "next step" choice, although really only GT3s interest me and they are out of my price range for the time being.

I just sold my AP2 S2000 and miss it already (by no means a replacement for an M3, but for the money I can't think of a more fun car to drive), thinking of getting another light car to complement the M3 soon. Have been looking at Cayman Rs, Exiges and FD RX7s in particular, but pretty open to trying anything that's fun to drive.
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For those that only seem to be interested in the Porsche GT cars, don't completely rule out the "regular" 911s as they are still a lot of car and aren't caught up in the crazy GT pricing that is the current market.
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For those that only seem to be interested in the Porsche GT cars, don't completely rule out the "regular" 911s as they are still a lot of car and aren't caught up in the crazy GT pricing that is the current market.
Seems so stupid they don't have LSDs though, whereas it's standard on GT3. I think LSD might be an option on some non-GT3 models but it's super rare to see a 911 someone ordered that way.
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My LSB isn't my daily, it's a weekend fun car and, once in a blue moon, track toy.
As for moving on, i'll never sell my E46 but i'm looking at adding an F82 in the next few months (if i can find the options i want in a 16 or 17 model), and also a 997.2 possibly next year.
The only way to go up, imo, is to a 911.
The F82 is an upgrade in power only, as i want a factory turbo car, and i love the styling. Plus i have a feeling the G82 is going to be very bland, and i think the F82 maybe one of the last really good looking M3/4's ever made.
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Having spent time driving most of the "it" cars out there, it's impossible to say one car could replace the E46. The debate always comes back to value. Even an F8x is so fundamentally different it may as well not even have a Roundel. Think of it more as Munich's take on an AMG, killer car in it's own regard but not a true replacement..

911 is the obvious path but with it comes compromises (cost, functionality). GT cars are next level but the jump in price is huge. And the newer cars are so well-rounded that you can DD them but they don't beg to be 'hooned' as much - Porsche's are not the same kind of tail-happy car an M3 is. A 981 Cayman is the closest substitute in terms of peformance and versatility (two trunks). Doesn't need much for mods and have proven to be reliable & affordable. That's the one to get if you are looking to change things up and get into something newer. The size/weight is still old school yet the electronics don't interfere with the driving experience.

Adding to your garage becomes a question of how much space you have. The concept is great but maintaining more than two cars becomes a huge timesuck if you are a DIY'er. At this point in time anything you end up with should be more for bucket-list reasons or fundamental differences (IE convertible, rear-engine, muscle car, JDM, vintage style, etc)

There reason the E46 M3 is becoming so sought after now is because of the original ethos - it's the do-everything car that doesn't break the bank. Tempted as I often am to upgrade, this car still puts a smile on my face and I will keep saving my money until it doesn't. It is a true legend because of how well it is aging.
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Seems so stupid they don't have LSDs though, whereas it's standard on GT3. I think LSD might be an option on some non-GT3 models but it's super rare to see a 911 someone ordered that way.
I think it was an option but it's extremely rare to see on a build. When I was searching I don't recall ever seeing it on a build sheet for any of the "S" models that I was considering.

I don't track my cars, but traction is never something that I've had an issue with in the 911. The M3 is quite tail happy compared to it, which can be quite fun in the right situations.

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I'm def not selling this car as its too special to me. But wondering what would serve as a second toy and nothing comes up as it has to be better than E46 M3 in some ways or have a completely different character.

I've contemplated a few but keep finding wrong:
- E39: great motor but too bulky/ squishy suspension
- Z3M/ ITR: massively overpriced for what it is
- S2k: a bit to unpractical

Lately I've started thinking about C7 Z06 or nice SR20 240SX or JDM bits Honda

Unlike many people here, I think of high powered cars (GT3 etc) as 1000cc bikes i.e. too much for the road and its simply not worth sinking money into something that I can't drive hard and stay out of jail/ keep license.
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I’ve been looking at a 993 4CS
993 is a beautiful vault-like car. I had a 95 C2.

Just bought an E46 m3 and actually find the metallic raspy sound of the engine somewhat similar to the 993.

My issue with the Porsche is the gear ratios make absolutely no sense (to me) and my car didn't have an LSD.

So, spend 12k+ to re-gear and LSD and now you have a somewhat noisy trans and still, not much horsepower/rpm. (though just a re-gear would be a great improvement).

A/C on mine was weak, not sure if they are all like that. Otherwise a wonderful car and I loved the size and handling.

I really like the E46 gear ratios.

That's one of the main things I look for in a car now. If the gear ratios are right to enjoy it the most on the street.
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993 is a beautiful vault-like car. I had a 95 C2.

Just bought an E46 m3 and actually find the metallic raspy sound of the engine somewhat similar to the 993.

My issue with the Porsche is the gear ratios make absolutely no sense (to me) and my car didn't have an LSD.

So, spend 12k+ to re-gear and LSD and now you have a somewhat noisy trans and still, not much horsepower/rpm. (though just a re-gear would be a great improvement).

A/C on mine was weak, not sure if they are all like that. Otherwise a wonderful car and I loved the size and handling.

I really like the E46 gear ratios.

That's one of the main things I look for in a car now. If the gear ratios are right to enjoy it the most on the street.
BMW got the gear ratios spot on, 100% correct on the e46 m3, imo.

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