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Old Mon, Jul-09-2018, 08:07:43 PM   #141
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Congrats Joe. This was a long one, well done seeing it through.
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Great job, Joe. I have the Zionsville radiator and electric fan too. But, I was able to fit the Spal fan in front of that Turner nut on the water pump pulley. Maybe you have a thicker fan than me?

One of you pictures depicting the radiator test fit I think showed some room between the fan shroud and the driver's side end tank. One of my rivets broke and I just replaces with a small bolt and nut. Maybe you can remove the rivets and slide shroud over and re-drill the shroud reusing the rivet holes on the radiator?
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Old Thu, Jul-12-2018, 11:24:22 PM   #143
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Really nice build!

Get rid of the Zionsville fan shroud. Thing is garbage. PO of my car had it installed. I removed it and immediately dropped 10 degrees water temp on track.

Gasket the fan directly to the rad. You may lose some cooling <10mph but the car will be happier any other time.
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Old Fri, Jul-13-2018, 11:49:03 PM   #144
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Great job, Joe. I have the Zionsville radiator and electric fan too. But, I was able to fit the Spal fan in front of that Turner nut on the water pump pulley. Maybe you have a thicker fan than me?

One of you pictures depicting the radiator test fit I think showed some room between the fan shroud and the driver's side end tank. One of my rivets broke and I just replaces with a small bolt and nut. Maybe you can remove the rivets and slide shroud over and re-drill the shroud reusing the rivet holes on the radiator?
Thanks. I may just leave it as is. It could be a fatter radiator to make up for the larger oil cooler.
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Old Fri, Jul-13-2018, 11:51:03 PM   #145
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Really nice build!

Get rid of the Zionsville fan shroud. Thing is garbage. PO of my car had it installed. I removed it and immediately dropped 10 degrees water temp on track.

Gasket the fan directly to the rad. You may lose some cooling <10mph but the car will be happier any other time.
Thank you! I'm hesitant to modify the radiator after having long conversations with Dwight at Zionsville. I'll see how the cooling performs. Right now, with the low temp fan switch, it looks good
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Old Sat, Jul-14-2018, 02:29:47 AM   #146
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Thank you! I'm hesitant to modify the radiator after having long conversations with Dwight at Zionsville. I'll see how the cooling performs. Right now, with the low temp fan switch, it looks good
What temps are you seeing?

Air travels through the rad and less than an inch later hits a flat wall and has to turn 90*... Design has merit when at low speed by drawing all air through the core, but it needs something like bypass "flappers" when the incoming air exceeds a certain volume.

My car went from seeing a peak of 210 on track the first hot summer track day I did after buying it, to 200 after just removing that shroud. Now after removing AC condenser core I'm in the mid 190s.
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[1993 325is] Brilliant/Black :: 139k :: Bilstein sports :: Eibach sways and springs :: Dinan camber plates and chip :: Borla :: LSD
[1983 320i] Safari/Brownish :: 242k :: homebrew CAI :: some rust :: multicolor body panels
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Old Sat, Jul-14-2018, 02:36:36 AM   #147
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Actually after looking closer at yours, it doesn't seem quite the same as what was formerly on my car. Essentially mine was this one I think http://www.vinnymac-online.com/Pics/...radiator01.JPG.

In post #127 your shroud only covers part of the rad but also looks like it doesn't actually touch the core?? One aspect of that is good, one isnt lol.
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[1995 M3] Avus/Dove :: 242k :: S52 OBDI :: M50 manifold :: 3.5" HFM :: Turner Chip :: XBrace :: SS Lines :: Turner RTABS :: Vogtland CS :: Bilstein Sport
[1999 M3] Cosmos/Black :: 87k :: TCKline S/A (400/500) :: Turner plates :: UUC Front Sway :: PF RTABs :: AA Intake :: Borla :: XBrace :: TRM C2s :: CL RC6E :: Direzza ZII :: Safety Equipment
[1993 325is] Brilliant/Black :: 139k :: Bilstein sports :: Eibach sways and springs :: Dinan camber plates and chip :: Borla :: LSD
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Old Sun, Jul-15-2018, 06:11:13 PM   #148
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I'll let you know once I have data. It is not quite to the drivable point. I have to get the suspension aligned & sorted, and break in the engine.
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Old Mon, Jul-16-2018, 06:29:07 AM   #149
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Actually after looking closer at yours, it doesn't seem quite the same as what was formerly on my car. Essentially mine was this one I think http://www.vinnymac-online.com/Pics/...radiator01.JPG.

In post #127 your shroud only covers part of the rad but also looks like it doesn't actually touch the core?? One aspect of that is good, one isnt lol.
Dwight's designs vary. Some have high speed flappers while others do not. He will make the shroud however you want... he'll make anything however you want.
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Dwight's designs vary. Some have high speed flappers while others do not. He will make the shroud however you want... he'll make anything however you want.
Dwight has been great. He cut down his custom oil cooler so it would fit with the under panel installed. Good guy. Knows his stuff.
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