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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Tue, Nov-14-2017, 01:38:36 PM   #31
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I have one that I'm debating putting on. I do not track that car. In fact, I have another one that does have the x-brace and have a statement and question...

Statement...the one with the x-brace is stiffer in turns and feels like it stays more "level". Day and night? No, but different. On track, I imagine it would be though.

Question...I changed the oil in the one with the x-brace last night.... first change I've done on that car since I got it. Do any of you remove the x-brace for an oil change or just let oil soak the x-brace each time? What a damned mess!
Those of you that extract oil from the dipstick tube may be on to something there....
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I have one that I'm debating putting on. I do not track that car. In fact, I have another one that does have the x-brace and have a statement and question...

Statement...the one with the x-brace is stiffer in turns and feels like it stays more "level". Day and night? No, but different. On track, I imagine it would be though.

Question...I changed the oil in the one with the x-brace last night.... first change I've done on that car since I got it. Do any of you remove the x-brace for an oil change or just let oil soak the x-brace each time? What a damned mess!
Those of you that extract oil from the dipstick tube may be on to something there....
There are several revisions of the x-brace. The last one does not require removal for an oil change and it causes no mess.
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Old Tue, Nov-14-2017, 05:22:48 PM   #33
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I have one that I'm debating putting on. I do not track that car. In fact, I have another one that does have the x-brace and have a statement and question...

Statement...the one with the x-brace is stiffer in turns and feels like it stays more "level". Day and night? No, but different. On track, I imagine it would be though.

Question...I changed the oil in the one with the x-brace last night.... first change I've done on that car since I got it. Do any of you remove the x-brace for an oil change or just let oil soak the x-brace each time? What a damned mess!
Those of you that extract oil from the dipstick tube may be on to something there....

When I put my X-brace on I was into Auto-crossing almost monthly and with the X-brace installed as soon as I went around a round-about I immediately noticed the car just "turned harder". I got used to turning the steering wheel so far in a turn and then the car kinda understeered, with the X-brace I could turn the wheel ~15 degrees more and get more "bite" to turn "harder".

If you don't track your car, or drive aggressively I don't think it'd be noticed.
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There are several revisions of the x-brace. The last one does not require removal for an oil change and it causes no mess.
Whoa, I had no idea.

Any pics?
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I have the wavy one. I bought it at least 10 years ago.
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I agree, chassis stiffness, or less chassis flex changes the lateral and longitudinal axis. Ride harshness or ride comfort is more of a vertical load, springs, shock dampening, bushing materials I would think.


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2 versions. Interesting! Love the knowledge here. Thanks!

My 97 has the early x-brace, added by the PO.
I think the one I have waiting is early too. It was from a 94 convertible (non-M).

Is the M50 oil drain plug in the same spot as the engine in the M? It would sure make sense if it were different and didn't make such a mess on the x-brace.

The early one looks beefier but I'm guessing German engineers made the later version as strong...right?
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the side rods on the later one look like good reinforcement but I am not an engineer. The center plate on the early one looks rugged but I’d go with the late one if I had the choice.
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