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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Fri, Sep-15-2017, 07:30:53 PM   #51
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

I don't care for the e9x 335 (they are super common around here with the younger crowd, getting to beater status) but the N54 is one hell of a powerplant. A single turbo built N54 is pretty much a modern 2JZ IMO.
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I don't care for the e9x 335 (they are super common around here with the younger crowd, getting to beater status) but the N54 is one hell of a powerplant. A single turbo built N54 is pretty much a modern 2JZ IMO.
Except it caps out at about half of what a 2JZ caps out at...
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

Actually, for top power turbo builds, the S54 is putting number much closer to Supras than the N54 is.
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

2JZ GTE's are what 1000/800 on stock block?

S54 Turbo'd is like 700/600 on a stock block?
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2JZ GTE's are what 1000/800 on stock block?

S54 Turbo'd is like 700/600 on a stock block?
MaxPSI recently got 902rwhp from a stock block + studs, I believe on the stock ECU

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Old Sat, Sep-16-2017, 01:31:28 AM   #56
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

I did it back in 2012. Traded my 2005 M3 with 70,000 miles on it for a 2009 335i. I immediately tuned it and ditched the run flats. It was a good car and tuned a load faster than the E46. It was comfy, had all the latest tech, looked good with 359M wheels.

I owned it for about 40,000 miles, the only unscheduled visits was a burned out coil pack and the intake needing a walnut blast. I do believe the 2007's were garbage, so many issues.

Then I sold that and went to the F80.

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Old Sat, Sep-16-2017, 07:08:25 PM   #57
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I owned an 07 335i manual for 5 years before my e46 m3 purchase. As was mentioned the only real reason to consider getting into a 335i is for the extra comfort and the ability to make awesome power for little coin. The 335i was a great car to drive and if running a tune spiked with corn made great power. On the other hand these cars can and most likely will be a technical PIA at some point to troubleshoot misfires, boost leaks, etc.
Both my E36 and E46 M are much more enjoyable cars to drive for my taste. This is not to take away from the 335i as it offers a lot for the money but it just don't match the fun driving experience of the older platforms.

335i Pros...
comfy ride
no subframe, vanos, or rod bearing issues
exhaust note is nice
great power potential
nice amenities
for the money its hard to find many cars to match what it offers.

Cons...
poor throttle response
heavier and bigger car
turbo system troubleshooting
no lsd
can't use on track reliably without big investment

M3 Pros...
Throttle response
lsd
great handling
Will hold value
Best looking M3 generation

M3 Cons...
Subframe, Vanos and rod bearing issues
stiffer ride
Exhaust depending on preference
Big coin needed for power

At the end of the day both cars were made with different objectives and I would suggest getting seat time in a 335i to see if that works for you.
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Old Tue, Sep-19-2017, 06:21:19 AM   #58
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Default Re: Trade E46 M3 for E92 335i?

I thought the E46 M3 had reliabilty concerns until looked at the 335i E9X and was glad I got the E46, that said later ones are supposed to be better.

In a general sence NA cars to hold up better over time.
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Old Tue, Sep-19-2017, 01:19:15 PM   #59
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I thought the E46 M3 had reliabilty concerns until looked at the 335i E9X and was glad I got the E46, that said later ones are supposed to be better.

In a general sence NA cars to hold up better over time.
I'm pretty sure the e46 M3 still has the e90's beat for overall defects, although it depends on N54 vs N55.

Personally, if you want a daily driver that can push you back in the seat, go with the e9x. If you're looking for more of a weekend warrior/ occasional track day car, go with the e46.

As far as pros/ cons, I'd say it really comes down to N54/ N55 in e9x land. The N54 had the twin turbos with forged internals, and makes *insane* amounts of torque (over 100ft*lb!!) with *just* an AccessPort. N54's also seem to have a few teething problems in the early years including HPFP issues, wastegate chatter, etc.

The N55 has a single twin-scroll turbo, no forged internals, and a little less potential for instant power increase, but they tend to have fewer reliability issues aside from popping plastic charge pipes (which is why people upgrade to aluminum)

Maintenance-wise, the only thing that would be an added annoyance compared to e46 annoyances is cleaning the valves every so often (direct injection).

Top power builds are one thing, but if you like modifying cars and want to see some *instant* gain.. N54/ N55 all the way. N54's can go from a pedestrian 240hp/280 ft*lb to the wheels, to 320/380 on a flash, to over 360hp/420tq with bolt-ons. That's over a 150% increase with probably $3-4k in parts that can be installed without taking the engine apart. In S54 land you can dump that much money and get what.. 40hp on a good day?

All of that being said, people run M cars at the track for a reason - they're actually built for it while the average N54/N55 really isn't. Even the lack of a dipstick alone would infuriate me, but more importantly there are *thousands* of people tracking S54's and e46's that are well aware of how to get around the platform's limitations.

Oh, and OP, are we talking DCT automatic or regular automatic? The DCT can be pretty fun!

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Maintenance-wise, the only thing that would be an added annoyance compared to e46 annoyances is cleaning the valves every so often (direct injection).
This is incredibly not true, and the reason we got rid of our e91. Every maintenance project on the e9x is a PITA.

Want to swap the diff fluid? Step one: drill a hole in the diff and add a drain plug
Want to change the rear main seal? That is going to require a $500 special tool and a 2 stage proprietary epoxy process (and it still leaks sooner than a normal one).
Want to replace your battery? That's going to require a software reset process with a propriety tool.
Want to replace your tires? Every couple years that's going to require expensive new TPMS sensors, and a huge quantity of weights to balance out said sensor
Changing the oil and forget how much you've put in? You have to drain it all and start over, because there's no way to check until its up to temp.
Failing Oil level sensor or low oil? No way to know.
Want to replace your oil filter? That'll require a special tool to get the cap off the filter housing.
Want to replace the valve cover gasket? Your valve cover cracked, because the plastic has turned brittle.

Maintenance-wise, pretty much everything on the car is significantly more of a PITA.

Except for bleeding the coolant. That process is improved. Assuming you know how to do it. Or, once you know how to do it, as a normal technique doesn't work.
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