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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Tue, Dec-27-2011, 02:47:06 AM   #41
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Default Re: Insight into BMW's (Magna Donnelly) Failed Rear View Mirrors

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Unfortunately it seems like all of them will fail eventually, even if the car is in ideal conditions like you described. I bought my car 2004 and also garaged it, never parked in the sun. The mirror lasted 3 years until I had some paint work done, the body shop left my car parked outside for about a month in 100 degree temps and sure enough as soon as I picked up the car the mirror was history.
Scott, I asked this question before but didn't get an answer.

What kind of replacement mirror glass do you use (Magna, Gentex or other after market)?

Is this replacement mirror made differently to eliminate the leakage issues? I heard that the Magna replacement mirror is now gel instead of that toxic fluid.

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Scott, I asked this question before but didn't get an answer.

What kind of replacement mirror glass do you use (Magna, Gentex or other after market)?

Is this replacement mirror made differently to eliminate the leakage issues? I heard that the Magna replacement mirror is now gel instead of that toxic fluid.

Thanks...
Most of the replacement mirrors come from Gentex - some we source from another supplier. None from Magna. We've been doing this for 5 years and have yet to see one of our mirrors go bad, doesn't mean it can't happen but any issues will be covered for as long as you own your car.
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Hi All,

A bit of background.

I'm from Western Australia. Unfortunately I didn't know about this mirror issue until mine leaked and ate away at my console. I raised this issue with BMW Australia and they responded by saying that they do not believe this to be a manufacturing defect (it would of happened sooner rather than later). My car is a 2004 E46 M3. Their stance was it is the age of the vehicle. I asked them to respond in writing to which the customer relations person said No. I asked him to respond as I would like a record and would like to take this further to which he responded "no, why should I make your job easier". Absolutely disgusting.

This aside, can you still repair a mirror if the liquid has come out through the seal? - better yet what are the chances the electronics are damaged given your experience. Thanks.
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Old Wed, Dec-28-2011, 06:01:02 AM   #44
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My mirror failed as well...might as well upgrade to the V1 integrated mirror. Once you install V1 mirror you lose dimming capabilities correct?

Also congrats on becoming a sponsor...what are the chances of a V1 mirror group buy:-)
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Hi All,

A bit of background.

I'm from Western Australia. Unfortunately I didn't know about this mirror issue until mine leaked and ate away at my console. I raised this issue with BMW Australia and they responded by saying that they do not believe this to be a manufacturing defect (it would of happened sooner rather than later). My car is a 2004 E46 M3. Their stance was it is the age of the vehicle. I asked them to respond in writing to which the customer relations person said No. I asked him to respond as I would like a record and would like to take this further to which he responded "no, why should I make your job easier". Absolutely disgusting.

This aside, can you still repair a mirror if the liquid has come out through the seal? - better yet what are the chances the electronics are damaged given your experience. Thanks.
Yes we can repair the mirror, we completely replace the mirror cell so the amount of fluid that's lost isn't an issue. Sometimes the fluid can damage the electronics - we will test the mirror and replace any damaged components if needed.

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My mirror failed as well...might as well upgrade to the V1 integrated mirror. Once you install V1 mirror you lose dimming capabilities correct?

Also congrats on becoming a sponsor...what are the chances of a V1 mirror group buy:-)
No - you do not lose auto dimming! When I first started doing this about 5 years ago I used non dimming glass for the V1 displays but we've since been able to produce custom transflective auto dimming glass.
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I just had my mirror fixed last month by Sybesmas. Good luck with the biz!
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Firstly I wouldn't let a female drive my car (I don't even let friends drive my car). Let alone a senior citizen. Not to mention I live alone away from family, and I'm not going to go to some retirement home and get some old person to drive my car. I don't even like old people.
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had this done couple months ago.

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Thanks for response - will email you.

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Yes we can repair the mirror, we completely replace the mirror cell so the amount of fluid that's lost isn't an issue. Sometimes the fluid can damage the electronics - we will test the mirror and replace any damaged components if needed.



No - you do not lose auto dimming! When I first started doing this about 5 years ago I used non dimming glass for the V1 displays but we've since been able to produce custom transflective auto dimming glass.
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Sent the mirror in and got it back yesterday. Not only does it now dim properly, but the new mirror dims to a neutral gray, not the old greeenish tint, which is a big plus in my book. Thanks, Scott!


One recomendation that may be useful is to expand the return shipping options, it would be nice to have a 2 or 3 day option in addition to the USPS "It'll get there when it gets there" service. I paid for the 3 day service to Radar Mirror to reduce the effect of the holidays on my mirror, but no option for the return trip.

Being as I live in SillyCon valley, I spend a lot of my time in commute traffic looking in the rear view. I've avoided countless accidents by pulling out of the way when some clown is eating/shaving/putting on makeup/drinking coffee/reading the newspaper while tooling along at 70+ and not noticing when traffic in front of him/her is at a dead stop on the freeway. Of course, the guy in front of me is always mad that I didn't sit there and take the hit because now HIS car is totaled, but as I always say, better him than me.

I got lucky and snatched up a manual mirror for $30 on CL the same day I took mine off, but others might not be so lucky.
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