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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Wed, Dec-05-2018, 10:45:21 PM   #21
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Not to stay off topic, but anyone willing to spend 8 grand on an ugly ass pair of Nikes made from about 45 cents worth of materials deserves to get lit on fire.
I didn't initially click that link, now in doing so it tripped a realization... I was on a subway in Paris and a guy had a bag with like 4 boxes of nike air Yeezy in it. I had no idea what the heck that was until just now and just thought the dude was stocking up. WOW! Bet he made some cash on that!!

I also can't complain, I bought my CSL seats for $3k, and that was $500 more than the guy was asking. Lucky situation, but I had been looking for them for 3 years. I also had a full interior (with door panels) for $5k slip through my fingers when I was on the way to pick it up. Since then (about 3-4 years ago) they have just continued to increase in price. Pretty good investment actually. If you can ever call a car mod that.
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Old Thu, Dec-06-2018, 12:05:56 AM   #22
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The presentation from Schroth was pretty good stuff, thanks for sharing.

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... and then I responded to the "roll cage needed for harnesses" thing because it's a very common misconception that is hugely detrimental to safety. I don't know how it started, but I'm trying to nip it in the bud wherever it crops up. It results in people either running roll bars/cages on the street, which is HUGELY unsafe without a helmet and/or harnesses, or not running harnesses on track, with is significantly less safe.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you saying that GT3's and M4 GTS with the half cage are not safe because they are street cars with half cages?
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I didn't initially click that link, now in doing so it tripped a realization... I was on a subway in Paris and a guy had a bag with like 4 boxes of nike air Yeezy in it. I had no idea what the heck that was until just now and just thought the dude was stocking up. WOW! Bet he made some cash on that!!

I also can't complain, I bought my CSL seats for $3k, and that was $500 more than the guy was asking. Lucky situation, but I had been looking for them for 3 years. I also had a full interior (with door panels) for $5k slip through my fingers when I was on the way to pick it up. Since then (about 3-4 years ago) they have just continued to increase in price. Pretty good investment actually. If you can ever call a car mod that.
Good info, and thanks for keeping on topic.
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Old Thu, Dec-06-2018, 06:31:11 AM   #24
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u guys have totally turned me off the recaros. Dammit, thought I had finally decided to get buckets. There are no CSL seats in my region though, not much choice in that regard, but considering the cost, add scroth quick fit, brackets and sliders, and it's pretty much a wash.. CSL seats are wayyyyyyy cooler.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you saying that GT3's and M4 GTS with the half cage are not safe because they are street cars with half cages?
half cages are a different story since they're behind the driver seat. a vehicle with 3pt belts and stock seats allows for a large range of motion in an accident (which is ok since you've got airbags) if you've added a roll cage to your interior with no other mods there's a good chance you're going to make contact with those metal bars in an accident
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I didn't initially click that link, now in doing so it tripped a realization... I was on a subway in Paris and a guy had a bag with like 4 boxes of nike air Yeezy in it. I had no idea what the heck that was until just now and just thought the dude was stocking up. WOW! Bet he made some cash on that!!

I also can't complain, I bought my CSL seats for $3k, and that was $500 more than the guy was asking. Lucky situation, but I had been looking for them for 3 years. I also had a full interior (with door panels) for $5k slip through my fingers when I was on the way to pick it up. Since then (about 3-4 years ago) they have just continued to increase in price. Pretty good investment actually. If you can ever call a car mod that.
The CSL seats also play nicely with the factory 3 point belts, which the huge majority of aftermarket seats do not-- huge street boon to them!
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I also can't complain, I bought my CSL seats for $3k, and that was $500 more than the guy was asking. Lucky situation, but I had been looking for them for 3 years. I also had a full interior (with door panels) for $5k slip through my fingers when I was on the way to pick it up. Since then (about 3-4 years ago) they have just continued to increase in price. Pretty good investment actually. If you can ever call a car mod that.
Id easily pay $3k for oem csl seats. Great deal! One mod Id gladly change my interior color for.
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I’d easily pay $3k for oem csl seats. Great deal! One mod I’d gladly change my interior color for.
Problem is, I don't think you can find them for less than $5-6k-ish anymore. I was a winning bidder on an eBay-UK auction for $7k for full interior (door panels, f/r seats) and the guy wouldn't ship them (even though his auction said he would.) I had the other local full interior sell when I was on my way up there with cash. I had another local set of front seats also sell before I could get there. Then for some reason I stumbled onto the set I actually got, and it was the best deal of them all... I guess it is a lesson that you just have to stay diligent. Also, owning the car for a decade makes it easier. If you just plan on owning this car for a few years, chances are you will never find a set, or have to pay out the nose, if you really want them.
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I don't know of any reason a fixed back is safer than a reclining seat, unless the reclining seat fails?

Head room: you can pretty easily get aftermarket seats lower than the CSL seats, which IMO is a better (safer) way to deal with limited head room. Even without that, I'd still run a harness-- e.g. I ran a quickfit the entire decade I was tracking with the stock seats (and with the stock seats/sunroof I had to recline the seat a bit to fit in the car at all with a helmet). In the specific instance of the roof collapsing I might be worse off, but I'd rather be better off if every other type of accident.

I think we're actually agreeing, overall-- I just pointed out the harness thing to the OP in case he hadn't considered it. For street use, the CSL seats are completely kickass, imo!

... and then I responded to the "roll cage needed for harnesses" thing because it's a very common misconception that is hugely detrimental to safety. I don't know how it started, but I'm trying to nip it in the bud wherever it crops up. It results in people either running roll bars/cages on the street, which is HUGELY unsafe without a helmet and/or harnesses, or not running harnesses on track, with is significantly less safe.
I think another common misconception or commonly debated point is that there's no safe way to secure the shoulder straps of a harness other than to a cage (welded in cage for that matter to not bolt in). At least I've heard that a few times. How do you respond to that or does Schroth have a blip on that subject as well? Thanks for providing those that was super insightful.
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I think another common misconception or commonly debated point is that there's no safe way to secure the shoulder straps of a harness other than to a cage (welded in cage for that matter to not bolt in). At least I've heard that a few times. How do you respond to that or does Schroth have a blip on that subject as well? Thanks for providing those that was super insightful.
I don't have the PDF at work, but can post up the relevant slides when I got home. But, they don't specify what it needs to mount to. What they do specify is...
-Mount point strength requirements
-hardware that is sufficiently strong those points
-belt mounting angle (vertical)
-belt containment (head rest posts or harness guides holes in the seat)
-belt inward angle and left/right mount point containment.
-unobstructed

In their quick start guide, they mention both harness bars and cages, so I don't think they're cage only. Beyond that, some of their promotional material has harnesses running to the rear deck on 911s (neither to a roll bar or cage). That said, I do think there's a lot of sketchy harness bar designs out there, so I'd be selective in which one you get if going that route.

So long as the harnesses are securely attached, unobstructed, and at proper angles, they will work as designed. They don't know what they're attached to!
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