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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Wed, Dec-05-2018, 06:49:35 PM   #81
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Default Re: Bad paint/rust - touch up/respray panels or entire car?

Anyone seen this before??

https://www.paintscratch.com/cgi-bin/order-form.cgi

It looks like you can order BMW paint (including Imola Red II) in spray cans.... Probably not an absolutely perfect match but might be just what I need
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Old Wed, Dec-05-2018, 06:58:28 PM   #82
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Anyone seen this before??

https://www.paintscratch.com/cgi-bin/order-form.cgi

It looks like you can order BMW paint (including Imola Red II) in spray cans.... Probably not an absolutely perfect match but might be just what I need
I bought one of these kits to diy fix some rust on my daily 330xi. I have it in a few of the same spots as you (no taillight but I do have some on one of the door sills and one rear fender). Already ignored it for a year but I would like to keep driving the car for 5-7 more years but didn't want to pay ~$3k for a shop to fix a $4000 car.

Anyway, my plan of attack:

- Grind rust down to metal with angle grinder + cup wire brush
- Apply "Ospho" rust coating to the bare metal
- Fill with Bondo fiberglass to make a smooth surface, sand it down
- Spray the Paintscratch primer, main coat and clear on
- All the while hoping I don't have any holes in the metal

Not sure when I'm going to get around to it, hopefully soon. It's already cold outside but hasn't really started to snow yet (one ~6 inch day but it's long gone)
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Anyone seen this before??

https://www.paintscratch.com/cgi-bin/order-form.cgi

It looks like you can order BMW paint (including Imola Red II) in spray cans.... Probably not an absolutely perfect match but might be just what I need
I think I have some I could sell you, if 5 years old isn't expired
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The way I see it there are two reasonable options for the remainder of this chassis' usable life, regardless of owner: it can either be parted out/sold and scrapped (or driven more as is and then scrapped), OR it can be ripped apart, cheaply patched up and used as a track car. No owner in their right mind will pay $$$$ to have this thing stripped down, completely repainted and fitted with fresh stock parts when it's a near 200k mile chassis, unless they are stupid rich and have a good sense of humor. Given that I already own the freaking car and won't get out what I've put into it I think it makes sense for me take it down the cheaply restored track car route.

Can anyone explain to me what I'm missing or why this is such a terrible idea?
you're missing the fact that instead of dumping more money into this particular car, you could cheaply restore and track a rust free car that may very well still be worth something when you're done with it say 5 years down the road. I doubt you put that much work into this car thus far, judging by its current condition.

That said, good luck with whatever way you chose to go though, but do understand that labor is A LOT more expensive in CA, and you will have a VERY hard time selling a car with any amount of rust here, should you ever decide to sell it.
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I bought one of these kits to diy fix some rust on my daily 330xi. I have it in a few of the same spots as you (no taillight but I do have some on one of the door sills and one rear fender). Already ignored it for a year but I would like to keep driving the car for 5-7 more years but didn't want to pay ~$3k for a shop to fix a $4000 car.

Anyway, my plan of attack:

- Grind rust down to metal with angle grinder + cup wire brush
- Apply "Ospho" rust coating to the bare metal
- Fill with Bondo fiberglass to make a smooth surface, sand it down
- Spray the Paintscratch primer, main coat and clear on
- All the while hoping I don't have any holes in the metal

Not sure when I'm going to get around to it, hopefully soon. It's already cold outside but hasn't really started to snow yet (one ~6 inch day but it's long gone)
Good deal. I think I should take this route

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you're missing the fact that instead of dumping more money into this particular car, you could cheaply restore and track a rust free car that may very well still be worth something when you're done with it say 5 years down the road. I doubt you put that much work into this car thus far, judging by its current condition.

That said, good luck with whatever way you chose to go though, but do understand that labor is A LOT more expensive in CA, and you will have a VERY hard time selling a car with any amount of rust here, should you ever decide to sell it.
My dad bought the car for $12k. Overall (including purchase price) we've got well over $30k in it at the moment (some mods, some maintenance, some bad decisions. It's been a learning experience). Buying another cheap e46 to restore seems just about the last thing to do right now. I have no plans to get rid of this car 5 years down the road or ever, but if I do it will be a track car at that point and not evaluated for its paint quality

I am no longer considering dumping a ton of money into a paint job, DIYing is seeming like the thing to do. Thank you and I appreciate the input
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There isnt an M out there for less than what it would cost to fix your car that doesnt need more money dumped in. Ive been rebuilding a 9k project for two years and while i love doing it, its by no means a smart way to spend money. But that isnt why you bought the car. All this talk of dumping your car and starting over is ridiculous. There are people in this thread who have spent well over 2k on an intake but turn around and say that painting your beloved car is a waste of money. There are members who spend thousands on real csl parts for their very NOT a real csl car, who have no issues whatsoever justifiying their purchases. And i for one am glad they can do that, because ive dumped a ton of money into cars over the years, and i intend to keep doing that.

We all love these cars, and if you think that any money you spend on it is a wise investment, youre lying to yourself. If you enjoy your car and you want to keep it, fix and enjoy it. Its that simple.

A paint job is expensive, but compare it to buying another car that you dont know the quirks of, plus whatever mx it needs. Same goes for a car payment, if you dont have the cash just lying around. Take it to a few places, get a few quotes, then see what it will really cost you.

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Wow, like Eric said, the panels are mismatched pretty bad right now. I wouldn't worry about blending. Fix the rust and get it looking "decent". The car is perfect for what it is aside from the rust.

Man, the original owner must have never waxed the car, ever.

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There isnt an M out there for less than what it would cost to fix your car that doesnt need more money dumped in. Ive been rebuilding a 9k project for two years and while i love doing it, its by no means a smart way to spend money. But that isnt why you bought the car. All this talk of dumping your car and starting over is ridiculous. There are people in this thread who have spent well over 2k on an intake but turn around and say that painting your beloved car is a waste of money. There are members who spend thousands on real csl parts for their very NOT a real csl car, who have no issues whatsoever justifiying their purchases. And i for one am glad they can do that, because ive dumped a ton of money into cars over the years, and i intend to keep doing that.

We all love these cars, and if you think that any money you spend on it is a wise investment, youre lying to yourself. If you enjoy your car and you want to keep it, fix and enjoy it. Its that simple.

A paint job is expensive, but compare it to buying another car that you dont know the quirks of, plus whatever mx it needs. Same goes for a car payment, if you dont have the cash just lying around. Take it to a few places, get a few quotes, then see what it will really cost you.

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That's not what people are saying. They aren't saying you can buy another M3 for less than fixing this car. Basically, if you invest $8k-$10k into rust fixing and proofing and paint, you could have sold this car for whatever ($6-$10k) and took that "repair money" and bought a car with no rust and good paint with probably less miles. This car just has too many miles and rust to throw that kind of money at it. Enjoy it for what it is as the cars sounds very sound other than aesthetics.

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There isnt an M out there for less than what it would cost to fix your car that doesnt need more money dumped in. Ive been rebuilding a 9k project for two years and while i love doing it, its by no means a smart way to spend money. But that isnt why you bought the car. All this talk of dumping your car and starting over is ridiculous. There are people in this thread who have spent well over 2k on an intake but turn around and say that painting your beloved car is a waste of money. There are members who spend thousands on real csl parts for their very NOT a real csl car, who have no issues whatsoever justifiying their purchases. And i for one am glad they can do that, because ive dumped a ton of money into cars over the years, and i intend to keep doing that.

We all love these cars, and if you think that any money you spend on it is a wise investment, youre lying to yourself. If you enjoy your car and you want to keep it, fix and enjoy it. Its that simple.

A paint job is expensive, but compare it to buying another car that you dont know the quirks of, plus whatever mx it needs. Same goes for a car payment, if you dont have the cash just lying around. Take it to a few places, get a few quotes, then see what it will really cost you.

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Thank you, I'm with ya. I don't even necessarily WANT a pristine paint job on this thing so it kind of works for this particular application. I just need to address the rust

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Wow, like Eric said, the panels are mismatched pretty bad right now. I wouldn't worry about blending. Fix the rust and get it looking "decent". The car is perfect for what it is aside from the rust.

Man, the original owner must have never waxed the car, ever.

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Yeah, the car has been repainted (rather poorly) in areas which has allowed for it to chip more easily. At least since we got it we've put a ceramic coat on it such that it beads well and is relatively 'protected'. I suspect the first owner took rather good care of it (till ~60k miles) then the two owners after that let it go to sh*t, driving in the winter without taking care of it, then my dad and I got it at 138k. At least the interior was in surprisingly decent shape compared to some others I've seen on here lol

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That's not what people are saying. They aren't saying you can buy another M3 for less than fixing this car. Basically, if you invest $8k-$10k into rust fixing and proofing and paint, you could have sold this car for whatever ($6-$10k) and took that "repair money" and bought a car with no rust and good paint with probably less miles. This car just has too many miles and rust to throw that kind of money at it. Enjoy it for what it is as the cars sounds very sound other than aesthetics.

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Agreed

The fact that I want the car as a track/drift missile car I think justifies cheaply repairing the rust and keeping it. I understand why some people are saying to get rid of the thing because they have different requirements for their M (if it was my every day nice sports car/daily, I would agree with them wholly) but for me this is actually just want I want, ESPECIALLY considering the money already in it.
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Agreed

The fact that I want the car as a track/drift missile car I think justifies cheaply repairing the rust and keeping it. I understand why some people are saying to get rid of the thing because they have different requirements for their M (if it was my every day nice sports car/daily, I would agree with them wholly) but for me this is actually just want I want, ESPECIALLY considering the money already in it.
I think getting rid of the car is the worse idea. There is something awesome about having a car that is carefree. Just deal with the rust and enjoy it!

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