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Old Tue, Dec-04-2018, 01:30:16 AM   #21
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I don’t have 18s, but point taken.
19's? OIY! Even worse. You will be miserable. Bad ride and destroy rims.

My car came with BMW OEM 19's. I went to a high end three piece 19's (255 F and 275 Rear)

Then I bought D-Force ultra light weight 18X9.5 ET 35 for the track....BF Goodrich R1's track and Michelin Pilot Super Sports for the street 265/35-18. I liked the ride, HANDLING, and set up so much I never ran the 19's again.

19's for looks but 18's FTW. The D-Force racing wheels have proven to be more than strong enough for South Florida streets...LOTS of RR tracks! I get the run-out checked when ever I am having tires mounted. Turner, Mod Bargains and others sell this wheel. The LTW-5

You might want to get a set of 18's some time. Apex make a great wheel too, the ARC-8. I had four sets of different wheels at one time (a while ago). Try 18's. I never thought I was going to run anything but 19's. I was wrong.
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Thanks for the info. helpful


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19's? OIY! Even worse. You will be miserable. Bad ride and destroy rims.

My car came with BMW OEM 19's. I went to a high end three piece 19's (255 F and 275 Rear)

Then I bought D-Force ultra light weight 18X9.5 ET 35 for the track....BF Goodrich R1's track and Michelin Pilot Super Sports for the street 265/35-18. I liked the ride, HANDLING, and set up so much I never ran the 19's again.

19's for looks but 18's FTW. The D-Force racing wheels have proven to be more than strong enough for South Florida streets...LOTS of RR tracks! I get the run-out checked when ever I am having tires mounted. Turner, Mod Bargains and others sell this wheel. The LTW-5

You might want to get a set of 18's some time. Apex make a great wheel too, the ARC-8. I had four sets of different wheels at one time (a while ago). Try 18's. I never thought I was going to run anything but 19's. I was wrong.
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I run a 275/35/18 Michelin PSS with about 2.5deg of neg camber up front and 2deg in the back. Ground control coilovers and L + R swapped stock strut mounts.


No rubbing whatsoever. Car is pretty darty with 0 front toe but front grip is mega good.
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I run a 275/35/18 Michelin PSS with about 2.5deg of neg camber up front and 2deg in the back. Ground control coilovers and L + R swapped stock strut mounts.


No rubbing whatsoever. Car is pretty darty with 0 front toe but front grip is mega good.
Sweet. Do you run FULL caster?
You said "darty". This is why I recommend just a TAD of Toe In for front and rear tires. Too much toe and you get tire wear. Zero toe and you loose some straight line stability.
Toe OUT works great on the track only.
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Sweet. Do you run FULL caster?
You said "darty". This is why I recommend just a TAD of Toe In for front and rear tires. Too much toe and you get tire wear. Zero toe and you loose some straight line stability.
Toe OUT works great on the track only.
My caster isn't adjustable since i'm running flip flopped stock mounts but its about 7.8deg of caster which is the upper end of the recommended spec iirc.

If this isn't a toy I'd also recommend a hair of toe in. Mine is just a toy so I don't mind dealing with it because of the lovely 0 toe turn-in.
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Sweet. Do you run FULL caster?
You said "darty". This is why I recommend just a TAD of Toe In for front and rear tires. Too much toe and you get tire wear. Zero toe and you loose some straight line stability.
Toe OUT works great on the track only.
Toe out is scary on the track, unless you run short tracks or autox.

0 front toe and very little rear toe provides the best of both worlds for street and track.

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Toe out is scary on the track, unless you run short tracks or autox.

0 front toe and very little rear toe provides the best of both worlds for street and track.

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You are correct.
I did run toe out at Homestead HPDE which is just an over sized Autocross IMO. I don't like that short, highly technical low speed course. But the toe--out really did help with the numerous tight turns and hair pins.

I LOVE Sebring which is a real 3.7 mile race track. No way would I run Toe-out there. Even my car can hit some high speeds on the straightaways. Must have stability. Having camber adjustment really helps with stability. I just give it FULL camber that the plate can give me. This is the normal recommendation, and it works.
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I run square 275/35 18's, Toyo RR's on Apex ARC8 18x9.5 et35.

With the new Essex AP racing 9668 calipers, I had to put a 12mm spacer on the front wheels. With the spacer, the tire is rubbing the fender under hard compression at the track with -3.1-ish camber.

Prior to this kit (had the Essex AP 4 piston prior), ran a 2mm spacer simply to give myself a little piece of mind (was unnecessary to clear the caliper, just looked TOO close) and had no issues with rubbing.

Plan is to go -3.5 on the front, -2.5 on the rear.
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I run square 275/35 18's, Toyo RR's on Apex ARC8 18x9.5 et35.

With the new Essex AP racing 9668 calipers, I had to put a 12mm spacer on the front wheels. With the spacer, the tire is rubbing the fender under hard compression at the track with -3.1-ish camber.

Prior to this kit (had the Essex AP 4 piston prior), ran a 2mm spacer simply to give myself a little piece of mind (was unnecessary to clear the caliper, just looked TOO close) and had no issues with rubbing.

Plan is to go -3.5 on the front, -2.5 on the rear.
You could also try ruining an Apex EC-7 wheel; it has more brake caliper clearance for the same offset.
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You are correct.
I did run toe out at Homestead HPDE which is just an over sized Autocross IMO. I don't like that short, highly technical low speed course. But the toe--out really did help with the numerous tight turns and hair pins.

I LOVE Sebring which is a real 3.7 mile race track. No way would I run Toe-out there. Even my car can hit some high speeds on the straightaways. Must have stability. Having camber adjustment really helps with stability. I just give it FULL camber that the plate can give me. This is the normal recommendation, and it works.
Daytona is on my bucket list. That is even a faster course!
You mean full caster for stability...

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