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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Thu, Aug-11-2016, 04:41:42 PM   #41
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The problem with koni/eibach pro-kit is not the rear sitting lower than the front it is actually the opposite. The rear will sit higher than the front by about 0.25". The stock setup has the rear sitting lower than the front by approx 0.25".
Thanks - my mistake.

Hoping to hear one of you suspension gurus chime in on the Fortune Auto setup as well.
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Thanks - my mistake.



Hoping to hear one of you suspension gurus chime in on the Fortune Auto setup as well.


Like BC's, the dampers are poorly valved, specially given the available spring rates. They all come from the same factory in "Taiwan" with different color schemes for each company.

I think many get caught up on a kit having adjustable height, which usually in the cases like BC/FA is worthless since they're main product goal is to offer lowering a vehicle, comfort/performance isn't a concern because they know the market consumer either doesn't care, or doesn't know quality. Most only replace their oe coilover/dampers well past once they've failed, therefor they don't recall how good the oe felt before the "coilovers"


Having been in the manufacturing side of the industry, I can tell you all these kits coming from China are a joke.


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^^ Thanks - appreciate your input.

The Broadway Static (basically customized Fortunes) was the only China/Taiwan kit I was considering but hard to find feedback aside from the "they go low bro" comments lol.

To not hijack this thread and try to contribute, all the forum stalking I've done points to the tried/true Koni/(your choice of spring) setup being the best for DD, and not out of place in most other circumstances either.
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Old Thu, Aug-11-2016, 05:25:13 PM   #44
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Excluding the top end kits, the best setup I've ever driven on a e36/46, was koni's with HR springs and sway bars. Very comfortable considering what these cars were built to do, and has a very consistent feel throughout cornering.


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Old Thu, Aug-11-2016, 07:47:03 PM   #45
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Oh there goes my plan for buying that kit. I've got eibach on stock shocks. Had them for 50k now. I might just get konis to complement them and be done

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Old Thu, Aug-11-2016, 09:23:29 PM   #46
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As mentioned Koni yellows with springs. If you want to low, below suggest pair in order of least to most drop:

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Eibach didn't have enough drop for me personally so I went with h&R with the rear adjustable perch. Part of me wishes I went with Vogtland. Either set up you choose I would suggest a front sway bar to reduce body roll.

Regarding setting of shocks... this is something you'll have to play with... but the rear Koni shocks can only be adjusted while completely removed form the car... I would suggest to start 1 full turn from FULL soft. Whatever you do, don't install them straight out the box (shipped at FULL soft setting) as this is not their designed intended setting.

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As mentioned Koni yellows with springs. If you want to low, below suggest pair in order of least to most drop:

Stock
Eibach
H&R
Vogtland
Tein

Eibach didn't have enough drop for me personally so I went with h&R with the rear adjustable perch. Part of me wishes I went with Vogtland. Either set up you choose I would suggest a front sway bar to reduce body roll.

Regarding setting of shocks... this is something you'll have to play with... but the rear Koni shocks can only be adjusted while completely removed form the car... I would suggest to start 1 full turn from FULL soft. Whatever you do, don't install them straight out the box (shipped at FULL soft setting) as this is not their designed intended setting.

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If you get the TCK standard spec konis, they're top adjustable.

Full soft is a pretty good match to the stock springs, and is their designed setting.
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If i do get springs that are lower than lets say the eibachs (being one step lower than stock from my understanding), wont the shocks start bottoming out if i keep going lower?
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If i do get springs that are lower than lets say the eibachs (being one step lower than stock from my understanding), wont the shocks start bottoming out if i keep going lower?
Depends on spring stiffness, car weight/load, etc... But, generally, yes.
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I might be weird but I still think the best combo I've driven on was a Koni/H&R setup, as for some reason I found it to be better looking, better handling, and more comfortable than even Koni/Eibach, which I've had on my own convertible for 10k+ miles and brand new on a coupe I've done a lot of work on.

TCK SA coilovers were pretty comfortable, even at 500 pound springs up front, but with the huge caveat that their camber plates WILL start making noise at some point.

Do some reading in the Fat Cat Motorsports thread (started by either EricSMG or ShaikH) about flat ride and the other things they talk about. Decide what your priorities really are... I'm very much in agreement with the ideas tossed about in there that a much softer front spring and stiffer rear is worth considering. For instance, my Ohlins are a 400 up front and 628 rear. I'm quite curious about what the TCK Konis plus a 350 up front and 550 rear might have felt like (with a quiet camber plate).

I'm in sort of the same boat (and possibly looking at the same setup used) as OP, but with it being with regards to my convertible. That car weighs more, and the rear end starts feeling really loose if the springs aren't strong enough. I am content to go back to Konis for the shocks, but I worry that many of the typical spring kits would still be greatly undersprung in the rear, and I'm not quite sure how to solve that. And on the convertible, as opposed to the coupe, I *do* care about appearance, and thus prefer the car be lowered. Which totally contradicts the fact that I also want it to be more comfortable than the coupe...
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