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Old Thu, Aug-22-2013, 07:42:12 PM   #1
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Big, smooth power; respectable fuel economy.

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Ho-hum XTS dynamics, prevalent torque steer, expensive.
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VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE AS TESTED: $71,015 (base price: $63,020)
ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 217 cu in, 3564 cc
Power: 410 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 369 lb-ft @ 1900 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 111.7 in
Length: 202.0 in
Width: 72.9 in Height: 59.4 in
Curb weight: 4437 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.4 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 23.3 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing -mile: 13.6 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 172 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.79 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 16/24 mpg
C/D observed: 17 mpg
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The Cadillac XTS stands apart from the ATS and CTS sports sedans that are redefining America’s luxury automaker. The big soft Caddy is designed for the brand’s old-school customers and those who might set a priority of roominess and ride quality over rortiness. Cadillac XTS buyers need 410 horsepower like they need a motion-sensing touch screen and capacitive-touch climate controls. But where Cadillac’s CUE infotainment system was maddening, we’re down with the addition of a potent turbocharged V-6 between the front wheels. And come to think of it, 1950s and ’60s Caddys had way more power than control, so there’s a bit of legacy here.

This 2014 Cadillac XTS is our first exposure to the Vsport series that slots between Cadillac’s mainstream lineup and the tire-slaying V performance models. Vsport here means the force-fed V-6, the twin turbochargers of which are bolted to a 3.6-liter engine that is a dimensional clone of the naturally aspirated V-6 widely used by GM vehicles (including the standard XTS). However, Cadillac claims the Vsport engine uses a new block, internals, and direct-injection system to contend with the 12 psi of intercooled boost.

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The new engine generates smooth, effortless power befitting a large Cadillac. It doesn’t pack the soul-stirring rumble of an eight-cylinder, but the V-6 surpasses the old DTS’s Northstar V-8 in nearly every other regard. With 369 lb-ft of torque from 1900 rpm, the turbocharged XTS makes overtaking other cars a breeze and possesses the sometimes-scary ability to hit triple-digit speeds unintentionally. The six-speed automatic uses the same gear ratios as in the naturally aspirated XTS but with a shorter final-drive ratio. Shifts are quick and logically sound, although the manual shift mode is slow to respond. Most of all, we wish the transmission and the engine could collaborate to speed up throttle response off the line.


In the run to 60 mph, the turbochargers are good for two whole seconds compared with the performance of the naturally aspirated, all-wheel-drive XTS, with the Vsport stopping the clock at 5.2 seconds. The quarter-mile is cleared in 13.6 seconds, 2.1 seconds sooner, at which point the XTS’s digital speedo reads 105 mph. The Vsport is rated by the EPA at 16 mpg city and 24 highway, and we deemed our observed fuel economy of 17 mpg to be quite reasonable. If there’s a weakness with the Vsport, it’s not the new engine.

Challenged Chassis

Unfortunately, the XTS’s chassis hasn’t been rehabilitated for its new job. As in lesser XTS models, the Vsport experience is tainted by a shaky-feeling structure, limp steering, and a suspension that’s on the soft side. Braking and skidpad numbers were no better than what we’ve recorded for naturally aspirated XTS models, and despite GM’s HiPer strut front suspension and all-wheel drive, torque steer still manages to boss around the driver’s palms.


The Vsport badge carries a hefty premium—$5835, to be exact—that should cause shoppers to consider the German alternatives. The V-8 models of the BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-class are priced between the Vsport’s base price and our test car’s $71,015 sticker and offer much more engaging chassis characteristics.

Cadillac’s media materials suggest that the company flirted with the name XTS Turbo before settling on the Vsport badge. Although not nearly as sexy, “turbo” might have been a more fitting moniker. The Vsport is a far better car than the DTS that used to occupy the XTS’s slot in Caddy’s lineup, but it’s hardly sporty. The Vsport’s ability to raise our pulses is limited to one fact: We can’t wait to drive the powerful 3.6-liter twin-turbo V-6 in a proper sports sedan—namely, the 2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport.
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Default Re: If you have a BR-Z, don't race grandpa

I thought it was widely known that if you have a BR-Z you shouldn't be racing anything made in the last 5-10 years
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BRZ/FRS owners have a lot of other cars to worry about aside from grandpa
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$71k.. Thanks but no thanks
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if you have a BRZ, race grandpa in the twisties only.
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That's unless grandpa has a MKZ 2.0H Hybrid

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2013 Lincoln MKZ 2.0H Hybrid
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VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE AS TESTED: $42,415 (base price: $36,820)
ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 16-valve Atkinson-cycle 2.0-liter inline-4, 141 hp, 129 lb-ft; AC permanent-magnet synchronous electric motor, 118 hp, 117 lb-ft; combined system, 188 hp
TRANSMISSION: continuously variable automatic
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 112.2 in
Length: 194.1 in
Width: 73.4 in Height: 58.1 in
Curb weight: 3843 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 9.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 25.3 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 9.1 sec
Standing -mile: 17.2 sec @ 83 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 109 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 170 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.83 g

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EPA city/highway driving: 45/45 mpg
C/D observed: 32 mpg
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lol, 71k for that.
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Btw, title could have also been "if you're not a good driver and own an E46 M3, watch out for grandpa"... That thing is no slouch.
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Default Re: If you have a BR-Z, don't race grandpa

Is that the same twin turbo V6 that's going in the new CTS? Or was it a TTV8?
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