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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Sat, Jul-15-2017, 12:20:23 AM   #41
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Default Re: Just had inspection service, no valves needed to be re-shimmed, is this normal or

Let's not argue over semantics. I think you're both right and both are very knowledgeable. Thankful for all the great info. Appreciate all the insight. I bet I will "feel" the biggest difference with just new spark plugs as the ones that came out looked old/worn according my buddy.
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Old Sat, Jul-15-2017, 12:44:47 AM   #42
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Huh? That's exactly how I understand them to work. The resistance of moving the gauge in and out determines the size. Then you can split hairs when the next size gauge isn't appropriate. "On the tight side of and on the loose side of".
That's how I've always done it...
Maybe I've been doing it wrong for 40 years!
I believe the phrase is "light drag" on the blade. Feeling what that is actually is a judgement call. But when you can't force it between the stem and the rocker, that's too tight...
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Old Sat, Jul-15-2017, 01:29:37 AM   #43
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Yes, forcing it, even if it fits, is too tight. Light drag describes the perfect feeler clearance. If it feels like throwing a hotdog down a hallway it's too loose
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Let's not argue over semantics. I think you're both right and both are very knowledgeable. Thankful for all the great info. Appreciate all the insight. I bet I will "feel" the biggest difference with just new spark plugs as the ones that came out looked old/worn according my buddy.


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Huh? That's exactly how I understand them to work. The resistance of moving the gauge in and out determines the size. Then you can split hairs when the next size gauge isn't appropriate. "On the tight side of and on the loose side of".
Agreed that's how they work. It's the single tool reference that makes me suspicious (well, that and being a BMW tech).

Maybe I'm just jaded from seeing too many dealerships "determine" that a car doesn't need a valve adjustment by listening to it, and then charge the full valve adjustment amount.
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Agreed that's how they work. It's the single tool reference that makes me suspicious (well, that and being a BMW tech).
Ahh. I see what you mean now. The feeler gauge set most commonly used are the grouped cartridges so calling it a single tool didn't seem off to me.
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Ahh. I see what you mean now. The feeler gauge set most commonly used are the grouped cartridges so calling it a single tool didn't seem off to me.
That's what I said
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That's what I said
I quoted him on the resistance aspect, not that a single tool was used. It's hard to communicate with you when you explain something, and then jump into accusing me of belittling your knowledge. The discussion took a turn for the worse because of your actions. Ian clearly described what he meant (and no, sorry you didn't clear it up because I was still focused on resistance not one tool). Now that that is understood there isn't much left to say. I don't appreciate people putting malice into my words anymore than you want me to misunderstand you. Seems every interaction with you, Suave and idontknow turns into this. Please stop. You can use Ian's answer as a perfect example to say, hey you misunderstood.
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I quoted him on the resistance aspect, not that a single tool was used.
Ummm no you didn't lol, you quoted his first paragraph which was about the "single tool"; his second paragraph was the one about resistance. Then your response to what you quoted was also about the "single tool."

It doesnt matter, it's def not a big deal, but I can't stand to see you keep posting such rubbish. It's like you're in another dimension of reality from the rest of us sometimes

There's no malice, we're not enemies. We're both passionate and knowledgeable about these cars and arguements arise. I don't see it as a big deal. I, personally, don't hold any grudges or try to find your posts in order to get combative. If I take issue with something in particular that you say, I'm gonna post something - that's it.

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