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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Sun, May-21-2017, 12:29:48 AM   #11
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I am in also, interested in the multi layer approach, is this what you are calling stage 3?
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Thanks for the quick response, Vince. I'm still learning all about this (just purchased my E46 M3 not too long ago) so bear with me.

Effectively, your stage 1 and 2 combo would be equivalent to the kit in this group buy right?

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=582373

Assuming there is cost savings installing your kit compared to a conventional kit that require welding, and assuming your kit is just as effective if not more effective, I think the price is good.

I'd be willing to switch to your kit if my assumptions are right, even if the cost of both stage 1 and stage 2 is more expensive than the conventional reinforcement kits.
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Old Sun, May-21-2017, 04:17:58 AM   #13
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So happy these finally are out! It was well worth the wait. The final product looks amazing and the price point is very fair. Can't wait to install these beauties on my car.

Thanks for putting in all the hard work Vince!
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Old Sun, May-21-2017, 08:06:21 AM   #14
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Morning Vince,

I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts regarding the reason for choosing 1mm thick material. Additionally thoughts on introducing all the rivet holes into the panel to attach the plates.

In my experience the minimum material thickness to allow forces to be dissipated effectively is 2mm.

Additionally in aerospace repair, where my engineering background lies we always avoid introducing more holes or possible failure points into panels by using rivets. I appreaciate that the patches are to be epoxied as well but I'd be concerned with that many new failure points for the rivet holes.

Please don't think this is a critisism, I am very impressed with your Vince bar solution, just wanted to know your reasoning behind the material thickness and rivet application.

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Old Sun, May-21-2017, 03:21:52 PM   #15
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Good stuff, Vince.

A better explanation of the stages might be helpful though.
How many plates are included in each stage?
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Old Sun, May-21-2017, 05:55:48 PM   #16
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Morning Vince,

I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts regarding the reason for choosing 1mm thick material. Additionally thoughts on introducing all the rivet holes into the panel to attach the plates.

In my experience the minimum material thickness to allow forces to be dissipated effectively is 2mm.

Additionally in aerospace repair, where my engineering background lies we always avoid introducing more holes or possible failure points into panels by using rivets. I appreaciate that the patches are to be epoxied as well but I'd be concerned with that many new failure points for the rivet holes.

Please don't think this is a critisism, I am very impressed with your Vince bar solution, just wanted to know your reasoning behind the material thickness and rivet application.

Thanks.
Not sure where/with which airframes your background lies but structural repairs installed with rivets are pretty standard for sheet metal repairs.

I do agree that improperly placed and drilled fastener holes can create issues. Things I would be concerned about are:
-Type of fastener
-Material of fastener
-Fastener location (not located in a radius)
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Old Sun, May-21-2017, 07:22:59 PM   #17
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I thought I was the only one with the idea of epoxy and rivets. I agree with your thinking. A couple of years ago I was at the SEMA show and talked quite a bit with 3M about various epoxys. "Gluing" and riveting cars together these days is the coming thing.
4 or 5 years ago I repaired my E36 M3 rear shock mounts with 3/16 stainless rivets. To day it is still perfect. Only thing about stainless rivets is you do need an air powered riveter to pull them!
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You are a beast!!! Looks like another great product!

Just waiting for that SMG relocation kit now
You ARE a beast Vince! As another member said, your continued dedication to the platform is much appreciated!

When will these skinz be ready to ship? I submitted my deposit for the VinceBar as part of the group buy but as soon as I heard you were working on these I decided to wait until they were ready before asking for the bar to be shipped. As you advised earlier...if you plan to install both it's best to do at the same time.

Cheers!
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In for the group buy, as well as a Vince bar.
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this is cool stuff, watching this space!
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